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    Sahih International: And they thought there would be no [resulting] punishment, so they became blind and deaf. Then Allah turned to them in forgiveness; then [again] many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is Seeing of what they do.

    did they literally become blind and deaf?

    wasalaam bro
    Last edited by theman09; 26th June 2010 at 17:10.
    If you or I had the option to pay for our sins by being crucified and dying in a few hours (jesus did not even suffer as much as most of the other folks who were crucified in his day) or suffering eternal hell, it would be a no-brainer. We would choose to be crucified.

    9Will you then say, “I am a god,”in the presence of those who kill you?
    You will be but a mortal, not a god,in the hands of those who slay you.
    ezekiel 28

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    Salaam brother

    Aya 22:46 may explain this:

    "For it is not the eyes that become blind, but the hearts that are in the chests"

    Hussein
    To consider that our logic is logical all the time is actually illogical. To consider that our understanding of the text is correct all the time is also illogical.

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    the kaafir sam shamoun says that تاب
    when used for Allah ta3la means Allah REPENTed. i guess now you know why i asked if the "blind and deaf" was literal.
    we know when Allah تاب
    He forgives and is merciful . the "taeb" in aramayk and the derivatives from the sheen va ba root in hebrew is also used for YHWH and creation.
    YHWH also "turns/returns" in the hb.

    "Thereafter Adam received certain words from his Lord, and HE turned towards him (fa-TABA AAalayhi); truly HE TURNS (innahu huwa al-tawwabu), AND IS ALL-COMPASSIONATE (al-raheemu). Arberry"


    sham scumoun wants "fa taba alay.." to mean "so REPENTED TOWARDS..."


    i don't even know why this guy is playing these silly game. is he trying to read genesis 6:6 in taBAA every time it is used for ALLAH? genesis 6:6 yhwh grieves and repents because he did not like what he did, not one place in the Qur'aan a reader can find anything resembling genesis 6:6.
    Last edited by theman09; 28th June 2010 at 14:48.
    If you or I had the option to pay for our sins by being crucified and dying in a few hours (jesus did not even suffer as much as most of the other folks who were crucified in his day) or suffering eternal hell, it would be a no-brainer. We would choose to be crucified.

    9Will you then say, “I am a god,”in the presence of those who kill you?
    You will be but a mortal, not a god,in the hands of those who slay you.
    ezekiel 28

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    2. To Repent-"to Turn" or "Return":

    The term shubh, is most generally employed to express the Scriptural idea of genuine repentance. It is used extensively by the prophets, and makes prominent the idea of a radical change in one's attitude toward sin and God. It implies a conscious, moral separation, and a personal decision to forsake sin and to enter into fellowship with God. It is employed extensively with reference to man's turning away from sin to righteousness (Deuteronomy 4:30 Nehemiah 1:9 Psalm 7:12 Jeremiah 3:14). It quite often refers to God in His relation to man (Exodus 32:12 Joshua 7:26). It is employed to indicate the thorough spiritual change which God alone can effect (Psalm 85:4). When the term is translated by "return" it has reference either to man, to God, or to God and man (1 Samuel 7:3 Psalm 90:13 (both terms, nacham and shubh; Isaiah 21:12; Isaiah 55:7). Both terms are also sometimes employed when the twofold idea of grief and altered relation is expressed, and are translated by "repent" and "return" (Ezekiel 14:6 Hosea 12:6 Jonah 3:8).


    imagine applying scumouns crack induced thinking to the "shubh" when used for yhwh.
    Last edited by theman09; 27th June 2010 at 11:57.
    If you or I had the option to pay for our sins by being crucified and dying in a few hours (jesus did not even suffer as much as most of the other folks who were crucified in his day) or suffering eternal hell, it would be a no-brainer. We would choose to be crucified.

    9Will you then say, “I am a god,”in the presence of those who kill you?
    You will be but a mortal, not a god,in the hands of those who slay you.
    ezekiel 28

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    Salaam brother

    TABA means return. However, when it is followed by AAala then it takes the meaning of help him return or accept his return.

    Hussein
    To consider that our logic is logical all the time is actually illogical. To consider that our understanding of the text is correct all the time is also illogical.

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    Dont trust what Sam "The Shameless" Shamoun says.
    Don’t depend too much on anyone in this world... because even your own shadow leaves you when you are in darkness." -Ibn Taymiyyah

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