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    Assalam . . .

    "And hold on tightly to the rope of Allah, and be not divided, and remember Allah's favour upon you; when you were enemies, He put peace between your hearts, and He made you brothers with his blessings, and when you were a brink off the pit of the fire; He saved you from it; likewise Allah makes clear to you His signs, so that you may be guided" (Surah Aal-Imran 3:103)

    Allah commands us in the Quran; not to divide ourselves. Now that we are divided; we to try our best to bring about a solution to our disunity. In order to do that; each and every one of us needs to firstly; not be confined to the filtered knowledge of our local mosques. We need to open the book and read it; otherwise - the Quran says in Surah Al-Jumu'ah 62:Verse 5; that such is the example of donkeys.

    Please think hard about this. Please try to add to this with your replies, and let us share the little bit of knowledge that we do have.

    May Allah guide us all . . . Ameen

    Wassalam . . .

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    Assalam . . .

    Also refer to (Surah Hud 11: verses 118-119) for more details.

    Wassalam . . .

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    salaam,

    brother ahmed waheed,

    i totally agree. we can unite under on faith and one book. but are muslims willing to?

    salaam
    Ignorance is a fire that burns a person's religion.
    And its extinguishing water is knowledge.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sheik
    salaam,

    brother ahmed waheed,

    i totally agree. we can unite under on faith and one book. but are muslims willing to?

    salaam
    I think it is doable if they control their understand that there will always be people who will differ on opinions and each of us has the right to opinion as long as it doesn't hurt each other, and control the negative remarks that I see in sectarian section.



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    salaam,

    brother chuck.

    i agree with the factors that can lead to unity, and the remarks in sectarian forum

    however, i feel that every sects opinions are too strong and no one will make a comprimise.

    salaam
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    I think we settled this issue very nicely in the Unity thread in sectarian forum.

    Salaam

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheik
    salaam,
    however, i feel that every sects opinions are too strong and no one will make a comprimise.
    Read this, it might help: http://www.facsnet.org/issues/faith/sherrill_ohio.php



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    Peace Ahmed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Waheed
    Now that we are divided; we to try our best to bring about a solution to our disunity.
    We have the same kind of problems in Christianity, we all have the feeling that we should be united, but we seem to be fragmented into many denominations.

    Can you suggest any practical things that can be done that would inspire and encourage unity between two opposing Islamic sects?

    Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    I think it is doable if they control their understand that there will always be people who will differ on opinions and each of us has the right to opinion as long as it doesn't hurt each other, and control the negative remarks that I see in sectarian section.
    Interesting thread, since I recently came across this article in my research on kabbani.

    It too, touches on unity:

    http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.com/unity.htm

    Much of the conclusions mirror yours. Inevitably, though, some forummers might be offended by some of the statements in the article. For this, I apologize, and insist that you not read it.

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    Peace Ahmed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Waheed
    Assalam . . .

    Disunity comes with differences in opinions, so we need to remove that barrier.

    Wassalam . . .
    How can we remove differences in opinion?

    peace

    Eric

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    Assalam . . .

    We do not need to remove differences of opinion; we just need to stop those differences from getting in the way. This can be done by going towards Aqeedah for solutions, before trying fique.

    Wassalam . . .

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    Salaam,

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H
    How can we remove differences in opinion?
    Opinions are very personal, I trust you gather, dear Eric H. As such, these are -- and will be -- differing and disparate. However, the real issue seems to be how to deal with these differences on a personal and collective level. Predictably, this means to have the ability to recognize these differences in opinion as exactly what they are; differences in opinion. If I'm allowed to parabelize the notion, it merely means understanding that opinions about a matter will not affect the central tenet in any way, whatsoever. It doesn't matter what opinion I have of a certain, unspecified issue; the core elements remain the same, any which way I view them.

    Hmm.. *trying to think of a present day event* ..okay, let's consider the situation in present day Iraq. A fiery matter, for sure. The situation is an issue with a lot of opinions, both in favour of and against, regarding pretty much all aspects of the situation. Thing is; even if our opinions differ on these issues, the factual situation is undisputable. Unrest, hopefulness, an uncertain future, con- and pro-election stances, et cetera. These are factual issues that need to be addressed, dispassionately and awake, with a self-critical mindset. Before these issues can be dealt with in a constructive manner they will never cease to exist. In order to take a step forwards, the initial step towards unity, we must first and foremost understand that the step must be taken together. It is a multilayered issue, granted, but the mechanisms that govern these types of issues are not complex. In their simplest form the mechanisms solely consist of a agreed signpost or goal, and a common path to reach said goal. How these steps are taken, is naturally up to the parties in the setting. If the goal is unity, the question is simply to recognize the conflicts of interest, to agree on the steps that need to be taken to resolve the issue, and then simply to take that first collective step on the agreed path. Simple, huh?

    In short, the issue is not about differences in opinion. It's more about how to set a goal that satisfies all parties, regardless of opinion. Anyway, that's how I see it.

    peace
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    Salaam brothers and sisters, i can tell you one small soultion to this problem. Obvously the establishment of the khilafah will automatically eradicate this problem, but in this day and age, were there is no khilafah, i can think of one small solution that will efforts to unite.

    When someone asks you on the streets, or in the mosque, or in school, what are you, sunni or shia etc, do not give them a ignorant answer. I am a sunni, a am a shia, i am a salafi, just say i am muslim!

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