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    I have come across this question numerous times and would like to find out what is specifically mentioned in the Quran. If it is only in the Hadith, then maybe we can discuss that as well. I could only find some info on Jomancy or divination as being wrong (where they use stones to predict the future).

    If an astrolger had told Hazrat Ibrahim that he will sacrifice his son, he would have been totally wrong. But what if he had told him that he will go through the "experience of sacrificing his son, when it will happen and how long will it last", he would have been 100% correct! I got this from a muslim astrologer's interview and thought it made a lot of sense.

    Would love to get your opinion but please give references if possible. This is a very important topic and one that most teenagers are getting involved with and I would like to be able to give them a godo answer as to what is allowed adn what is not. Hazeat Ali said that 1- you cannot underestimate the power of prayers, 2- you cannot always direct people at such opportune moments when they will only gain and never lose and 3- nobody can predict death.

    Looking forward to a good discussion and also maybe if there are some predictions given in the Quran like the Revelations in the Bible

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    Quote Originally Posted by nahjulb View Post
    I have come across this question numerous times and would like to find out what is specifically mentioned in the Quran. If it is only in the Hadith, then maybe we can discuss that as well. I could only find some info on Jomancy or divination as being wrong (where they use stones to predict the future).

    If an astrolger had told Hazrat Ibrahim that he will sacrifice his son, he would have been totally wrong. But what if he had told him that he will go through the "experience of sacrificing his son, when it will happen and how long will it last", he would have been 100% correct! I got this from a muslim astrologer's interview and thought it made a lot of sense.

    Would love to get your opinion but please give references if possible. This is a very important topic and one that most teenagers are getting involved with and I would like to be able to give them a godo answer as to what is allowed adn what is not. Hazeat Ali said that 1- you cannot underestimate the power of prayers, 2- you cannot always direct people at such opportune moments when they will only gain and never lose and 3- nobody can predict death.

    Looking forward to a good discussion and also maybe if there are some predictions given in the Quran like the Revelations in the Bible
    As Salamu Alaykum

    [ From Imam Dhahabi's Kitab al Kaba'ir (Book of Major Sins) cited in Reliance of the Traveller p41.1 and p41.2, p.681 ]

    Allah Most High says:

    (1) "Pursue not that which you have no knowledge of" (Koran 17:36)
    (2) "[He is] the Knower of the Unseen, and discloses not His unseen to anyone except to a messenger with him He is please" (Koran 72:26-27)

    The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:

    (1) "Whoever goes to a 'psychic' ('arraf) or fortune-teller and believes what he says has disbelieved in what has been revealed to Muhammad." (Abu Dawud)

    (2) "Allah Most High says, 'One of My servants reaches daybreak a believer, another an unbeliever. He who says, ' We have received rain by Allah's grace,' is a believer in Me and a disbeliever in the planets. But he who says, ' We have received rain by the effects of such and such a mansion of the moon, ' is an unbeliever in Me and a believer in the planets [ Shaykh Abdul Wakil Durubi's commentary: if he thinks they have a causal influence independent of the will of Allah]" (Bukhari and Muslim)

    (3) "Whoever goes to a 'psychic', asks him about something, and believes him, will not have his prayer accepted for forty days." (Muslim)
    The Prophet Muhammad (Salla Llahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) said, “Verily Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people but He takes away knowledge by taking away the scholars, so that when He leaves no learned person, people appoint ignorant as their leaders. They are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray.” [Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim]

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    Sallam brother and thank you for taking the time to write all the different references.

    So in other words there is nothing in Quran at all about astrology? I am not talking about psychic matters etc but specifically astrology.

    I would really appreciate if you also address my question about the Prophet Abraham's experience of sacrificing his son, when and its duration being predictable as opposed to the action itself. Correct me if I am wrong but I think Allah;s vahee comes to Prophet Abraham saying that "We have made the interpretation of yoru dream come true,m bu twe have changed the act"!

    In other words, only Allah can say what action will offset the different experiences. The experience, when it will happen and for how long are all predictable (according to this muslim astrologer's site) but only Allah can say what action.

    I am not really interested in any maulana's opinion or heresay but based on logic and mantaq. Unseen things being forbidden can also apply to molecules and atoms and nuclear science!

    I do believe in "nujoom saccha aur nujoomi jhota"! Astrology is correct but the astrolgoer is wrong becuase there are so many variables involved. however, I think it is the Hindu Indian astrology which is haram from my poitn of view as it is based on preditions that this will happen or you will have an accident as opposed to saying, be careful aroudn this time as you are accdient prone etc.

    I hope you get my point and any discussions, references etc andeven yoru own opinions are appreciated especially if you can also indicate why.

    If astrology is used only to find the highest potential of people or as this muslim astrologer writes about finding correlatins between Saturn and Moon aspects in one's chart and being anemic which can lead to pathological depression, is that also forbidden although I didnt see anything saying it is not allowed anywhere yet.

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    (1) "Pursue not that which you have no knowledge of" (Koran 17:36)

    if someone studies astrology then it is fine? Cause then they knowledge of it!

    (2) "[He is] the Knower of the Unseen, and discloses not His unseen to anyone except to a messenger with him He is please" (Koran 72:26-27)

    I think this could apply to matters pertaining to death for example but not to if you are using to find the potential of people or to see when they are accident prone. As long as we don't take away the hope becuase that woudl mean denying the miracles of Allah, I think it would be fine?

    Similarly, an accountant who predicts you will go bankrupt the way you are going will be doing shirk as well unless he qualifies it with "if you continue going the way you are then...".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nahjulb View Post
    (1) "Pursue not that which you have no knowledge of" (Koran 17:36)

    if someone studies astrology then it is fine? Cause then they knowledge of it!

    (2) "[He is] the Knower of the Unseen, and discloses not His unseen to anyone except to a messenger with him He is please" (Koran 72:26-27)

    I think this could apply to matters pertaining to death for example but not to if you are using to find the potential of people or to see when they are accident prone. As long as we don't take away the hope becuase that woudl mean denying the miracles of Allah, I think it would be fine?

    Similarly, an accountant who predicts you will go bankrupt the way you are going will be doing shirk as well unless he qualifies it with "if you continue going the way you are then...".
    As Salamu Alaykum

    Studying astrology is also listed as part of knowledge that is unlawful according to Imam Nawawi in his Al Majmu' Sharh al Muhadhdhab.

    Islamic Law is derived not only from the Quran but also the Sunnah, Scholarly Consensus (ijma), and Qiyas (analogy).

    It is clear that the study of astrology is unlawful for the Muslims. It is ijma according to the scholars. So whether or not you can rationalize it is of little consequence. The belief of Qadr is part of Islam but it is no way connected to astrology.

    We believe Allah is the real doer and that he provides means for such things to manifest. This is also in basic aqida 101.
    The Prophet Muhammad (Salla Llahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) said, “Verily Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people but He takes away knowledge by taking away the scholars, so that when He leaves no learned person, people appoint ignorant as their leaders. They are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray.” [Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim]

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    Studying astrology is also listed as part of knowledge that is unlawful according to Imam Nawawi in his Al Majmu' Sharh al Muhadhdhab.

    So if they find a correlation with different planetary configurations and susceptibility to certain deseases, will it still be unlawful? How do we even know if it doesn't work if we dont study it also?

    I still didnt understand what part of astrology do you feel is not right. That is the main question to me. I know its limits but if it is used to see the comparison between different scientists and composers and high achievers to improve ourselves and not in a predictive sense, then why would it be not right?

    Frankly I am surprised that such an important subject and Quran hasn't said anything about it.

    So it is only in Sunni religion as I have not heard of these imamas in the shia religion at all.

    What is Ijma? And what is Qadr?

    It is clear that the study of astrology is unlawful for the Muslims. It is ijma according to the scholars. So whether or not you can rationalize it is of little consequence. The belief of Qadr is part of Islam but it is no way connected to astrology.

    We believe Allah is the real doer and that he provides means for such things to manifest.

    How come we take the advice of accountants and counsellors and coaches etc then. Apparently we each have a geomagnetic stamp and they are finding different corellations with the planetary configurations now.

    If you can list what your objections are I would appreciate it also.

    Thanks for your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nahjulb View Post
    Studying astrology is also listed as part of knowledge that is unlawful according to Imam Nawawi in his Al Majmu' Sharh al Muhadhdhab.

    So if they find a correlation with different planetary configurations and susceptibility to certain deseases, will it still be unlawful? How do we even know if it doesn't work if we dont study it also?

    I still didnt understand what part of astrology do you feel is not right. That is the main question to me. I know its limits but if it is used to see the comparison between different scientists and composers and high achievers to improve ourselves and not in a predictive sense, then why would it be not right?

    Frankly I am surprised that such an important subject and Quran hasn't said anything about it.

    So it is only in Sunni religion as I have not heard of these imamas in the shia religion at all.

    What is Ijma? And what is Qadr?

    It is clear that the study of astrology is unlawful for the Muslims. It is ijma according to the scholars. So whether or not you can rationalize it is of little consequence. The belief of Qadr is part of Islam but it is no way connected to astrology.

    We believe Allah is the real doer and that he provides means for such things to manifest.

    How come we take the advice of accountants and counsellors and coaches etc then. Apparently we each have a geomagnetic stamp and they are finding different corellations with the planetary configurations now.

    If you can list what your objections are I would appreciate it also.

    Thanks for your response.

    As Salamu Alaykum

    Coaches, accountants and other professions have nothing to do with astrology so I dont see the correlation to it. I already provided the textual proof used by scholars to deem it unlawful. If prophet salla llahu alayhi wa sallam calls it unlawful in a clear hadith then that is enough for me.

    Ijma means scholarly consensus. When mujtahids agree on a position and interpretation of the law. Qadr which is part of the basic belief of Muslims , is the belief in destiny its good and evil and that Allah has ordained both good and evil before creating creation, and that all that has been and all that will be only exists through Allah's decree, foreordinance, and will.

    But as I said earlier, Allah creates means for which things manifest. So although Allah is the true nourisher, he has made food a means to nourish ourselves physically.

    All this has nothing to do with turning to coaches, accountants, etc. We turn to specialists if we do not know. If we are sick of course we go to the qualified doctor for his expert advice. We however do not believe that any means is outside the will and decree of Allah. Nothing happens unless Allah wills it.
    The Prophet Muhammad (Salla Llahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) said, “Verily Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people but He takes away knowledge by taking away the scholars, so that when He leaves no learned person, people appoint ignorant as their leaders. They are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray.” [Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawawi619 View Post
    As Salamu Alaykum

    Coaches, accountants and other professions have nothing to do with astrology so I dont see the correlation to it. I already provided the textual proof used by scholars to deem it unlawful. If prophet salla llahu alayhi wa sallam calls it unlawful in a clear hadith then that is enough for me.

    Ijma means scholarly consensus. When mujtahids agree on a position and interpretation of the law. Qadr which is part of the basic belief of Muslims , is the belief in destiny its good and evil and that Allah has ordained both good and evil before creating creation, and that all that has been and all that will be only exists through Allah's decree, foreordinance, and will.

    But as I said earlier, Allah creates means for which things manifest. So although Allah is the true nourisher, he has made food a means to nourish ourselves physically.

    All this has nothing to do with turning to coaches, accountants, etc. We turn to specialists if we do not know. If we are sick of course we go to the qualified doctor for his expert advice. We however do not believe that any means is outside the will and decree of Allah. Nothing happens unless Allah wills it.
    In other words there is nothing in Quran at all, that is all I needed to know. Unfortunately I cannot trust the hadiths as it has no bearing on what was actually said by Rasullallah. I am interested in the logic behind and not just hearsay or something unlawful. In science we do not speak about faith only. Allah wanted us to understand and use logic not just faith. I have yet to hear even one reason why it should not be used or being "unlawful" as you put it.
    Maybe there are some other scholars or people who can give me some good reason as it is obviously somehting which Quran choose to ignore. We are supposed to get all the answers from the Quran but Quran addresses the planets and movement of the Moon and recognizes that it creates the tides etc but nothing about the astrological influences.

    If the induced field of the geomagnetism can be changed adn weather patterns influenced by planetary angles (RCA engineers have already proved that) there is a strong possibility they will soon know the mechanism behind how it works.

    I personally dont believe in destiny as a fated thing as it is against Islam. Allah has given us free choice and I believe that we cannot increase our lifespan but we can decrease it by free choice. One cant just in front of a trunk and and say this was written in the destiny!

    I give public lectures to PhD students around the US and they laugh when we tell them just accept this as it is out faith. Astrology is not faith based. It reminds me of Newton when he said to Halley, I have studied it Sir you have not!

    Anyways thanks for your help. I didnt expect any answers here and will continue doing my research. Up till now, the muslim astrologer really gave me the best answers and as I can seem nobody seems to have addressed the three things he laid out.

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    Salam

    Please brother I want some clarifications from you.

    You said:
    In science we do not speak about faith only.
    The astrology, is it a science? The astronomy IS a science and even the prophet Musa (pbuh) was aware of this science.

    Personnally, and out of faith talks, i canT rely on the movements of celestial bodies to tell me what tomorrow is bringing to me.

    one more thing:
    I would really appreciate if you also address my question about the Prophet Abraham's experience of sacrificing his son, when and its duration being predictable as opposed to the action itself. Correct me if I am wrong but I think Allah;s vahee comes to Prophet Abraham saying that "We have made the interpretation of yoru dream come true,m bu twe have changed the act"!
    Doesnt this show that the astrologer was wrong in his prediction?
    And honestly I dont get the relation between dreams interpretations and the astrology.

    Frankly I am surprised that such an important subject and Quran hasn't said anything about it.
    I think the Quran is clear about this matter.. Actually it's mentioned several times that only ALLAH knows the unseen (including the future).
    How can you explain then the wrong predictions given by the astrolgers.

    Allah has given us free choice and I believe that we cannot increase our lifespan but we can decrease it by free choice.
    I do believe on that too.. so this is what you should tell to those teenagers, that their future depends on what they do today, and to work for it asking for ALLAH's help to reach it.

    I'm not a scholar and I wasn't attacking you, I was just giving you my humble understanding (like you asked).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nahjulb
    Astrology is not faith based.
    Have you seen any peer-reviewed papers on astrology in any of the major scientific journals?

    I know that astrologers submit empirical arguments for their predictions. Do these astrologers have any measurements taken to support their arguments? Have you seen any? Or are you engaging in ex-post facto cherry picking from science to justify astrology as a science?
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    The Quran states that the heavens, from the sun to the moon, to the stars above, follow a course exactly calculated. The primary purpose behind these verses is to refute worshipping these heavenly bodies, of which the practice was and is common throughout the world. As the Quran says, if these huge heavenly bodies follow a pattern which allow men to accurately calculate time, as well as provide them a means to be guided in the land, then how can anybody worship them? They are the ultimate embodiment of submission.

    The Quran doesn't deny the impact of these heavenly bodies on the earth, which is the subject of natural science. Astrology is not natural science, but a purely subjective way to infer certain things regarding human destiny, which in no way can be known through these observations.
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    Assalaam o alaikum

    Dear nahjulb, what kind of benefit you want to get through learning astrology?

    regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by nahjulb View Post
    In other words there is nothing in Quran at all, that is all I needed to know. Unfortunately I cannot trust the hadiths as it has no bearing on what was actually said by Rasullallah. I am interested in the logic behind and not just hearsay or something unlawful. In science we do not speak about faith only. Allah wanted us to understand and use logic not just faith. I have yet to hear even one reason why it should not be used or being "unlawful" as you put it.
    Maybe there are some other scholars or people who can give me some good reason as it is obviously somehting which Quran choose to ignore. We are supposed to get all the answers from the Quran but Quran addresses the planets and movement of the Moon and recognizes that it creates the tides etc but nothing about the astrological influences.

    If the induced field of the geomagnetism can be changed adn weather patterns influenced by planetary angles (RCA engineers have already proved that) there is a strong possibility they will soon know the mechanism behind how it works.

    I personally dont believe in destiny as a fated thing as it is against Islam. Allah has given us free choice and I believe that we cannot increase our lifespan but we can decrease it by free choice. One cant just in front of a trunk and and say this was written in the destiny!

    I give public lectures to PhD students around the US and they laugh when we tell them just accept this as it is out faith. Astrology is not faith based. It reminds me of Newton when he said to Halley, I have studied it Sir you have not!

    Anyways thanks for your help. I didnt expect any answers here and will continue doing my research. Up till now, the muslim astrologer really gave me the best answers and as I can seem nobody seems to have addressed the three things he laid out.
    As Salamu Alaykum


    I think you have astrology mixed up with the science of astronomy which Muslims accept. Hadith mutawatir are definitely from the prophet salla llahu alayhi wa sallam because they have been related by so many sahaba from various chains of transmission at each generation (tabi'un and so on) that it would be impossible for all of them to have conspired to fabricate. Hadith Ahad that are rated Sahih and Hasan are considered reliable and from the prophet salla llahu alayhi wa sallam but not with total certainty as the mutawatir hadith.

    Mainstream Muslims follow the Quran, Hadith, Ijma, and Qiyas as agreed upon sources in the religion. With your statement about the rejection of the hadith, that would mean you are not from the mainstream.
    The Prophet Muhammad (Salla Llahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) said, “Verily Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people but He takes away knowledge by taking away the scholars, so that when He leaves no learned person, people appoint ignorant as their leaders. They are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray.” [Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim]

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    Has nahjulb left the board? Sounds like he has. Because if he hasn't, I could debunk astrology for him pretty thoroughly.

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    [QUOTE=faithful;129654]Salam

    Please brother I want some clarifications from you.

    You said:


    The astrology, is it a science?

    Of course it is a science as they use secintific procedures to record the correlation between the planets and themes in your life. Michael Gauquelin wrote his whole thesis on the Mars Effect. He tried to disprove astrology but found amazing correlations between certain plaentary configurations and professions. Notably, it was beyond chance that so many mili8tary leaders adn asports athletes had Mars in the tenth house.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Gauquelin


    The astronomy IS a science and even the prophet Musa (pbuh) was aware of this science.

    Johannes Kepler who laid the basis of astronomy was an astrolgoer also and in fact one of his 13 volumes is entirely devoted to astrology!

    Personnally, and out of faith talks, i canT rely on the movements of celestial bodies to tell me what tomorrow is bringing to me.

    How do you know though? Have you studied it or just a hunch? Of course there are many charletans who claim general personality traits but I am only talking to the top astrologers and not the sun sign astrology.

    one more thing:

    Doesnt this show that the astrologer was wrong in his prediction?
    And honestly I dont get the relation between dreams interpretations and the astrology.

    It was a hypothetical question that is the astrologer said that you will sacrifice your son, he woudl have been 100% wrong and that would be haram, but if had said that Prophet Abraham would go through the experience of sacrificing his son, when it will happen and how long will it last, he would have been 100% accurate about all three things and not violated any tenets of Quran!

    I think the Quran is clear about this matter.. Actually it's mentioned several times that only ALLAH knows the unseen (including the future).

    Does this include an accountants prediction of the future of a compnay which will go bankrupt? he is after all making a prediction of the future!

    How can you explain then the wrong predictions given by the astrolgers.

    Because the astrolgers try to p"predict" the future as you said which to me is haram! If they stuck with the experiences and guiding people how to offset the themes as this muslim astrologer advises, I think they would be excellent.

    I agree that there are many charletans and it woudl require someone who is deeply spiritual, has tremendous faith in Allah and His ability to avert any misfortune and does not underestimate the power of prayers also.

    Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply in detail.

    I would still be interested to have your view point as to what part of astrology is wrong.

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