The Fitnah of "fitna"

[Al-Boriqi]

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P6Upxmm890

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8azt...eature=related

another right wing wacko does exactly what british news channel 4 did with the wahhabi/salafi/sunnis by doing the following

1. snipping random ayaah out from the quraan striping them from their meaning and actual historical practice
2. outright lieing and mistranslating of the ayaah (example, "roast like a turkey's")
3. taking the illegitmate people who spoke on the affairs of pilitical matters who have no knowledge and who have undermined the salafi/wahhabi/sunni/islamic methodology and taken on the khariji methodology and without any differentiation, deemed it as Islamic, and therefore is Islam itself
4. not quoting the entirety of the ayaah so as to see what the hell it was talking about.

muslims shouldn't over react to this though, after all, what do they expect from a kafir. in any case, whatever happens, the world is at a better state with him dead.

it is not more like how the arab mushrikeen did against Islam in the time of the nabi, they had a mega propaganda campaign against him, calling him and his dawah various derogatory names so the common masses could be deceived by the lies of these antagonist for befundling the truth.

i must say, it was the best tabloid cut n paste job yet, unsurpassed, a medal of honor for the most unfair and unbalanced

[muhtadiyah]

Salaam Al-Boriqi,

in any case, whatever happens, the world is at a better state with him dead.

You do realize that this statement confirms Mr. Wilders negative view of Islam?

peace,
mhtdyh

[Ramsey]

Salaam Al-Boriqi,

in any case, whatever happens, the world is at a better state with him dead.

You do realize that this statement confirms Mr. Wilders negative view of Islam?

peace,
mhtdyh

I'm going to have to disagree. The man seems to devote his life to spreading misery, hatred and discrimination. If that man had his way he would have a lot of blood on his hand.

I'm thinking that any person who knows what he did and is a person of clear conscience and well thinking mind, unhindered by prejudice and ignorance would agree that if Geertje Wilders dropped dead from a heart attack tomorrow, the world would be a safer more peaceful place. This is regardless of race, religion or gender.

Although I think that most of his supporters do a little dance for joy in their mind whenever a Muslim says that.

[muhtadiyah]

Although I think that most of his supporters do a little dance for joy in their mind whenever a Muslim says that.

Perhaps it would be wiser, as well as kinder, if Muslims said that the world would be a better place if Mr. Wilders was converted.

The chances of that happening are pretty slim, though, especially if you keep wishing him dead.

[Al-Boriqi]

Perhaps it would be wiser, as well as kinder, if Muslims said that the world would be a better place if Mr. Wilders was converted.

The chances of that happening are pretty slim, though, especially if you keep wishing him dead.

You do realize that this statement confirms Mr. Wilders negative view of Islam?

[Al-Boriqi]

I'm going to have to disagree. The man seems to devote his life to spreading misery, hatred and discrimination. If that man had his way he would have a lot of blood on his hand.

I'm thinking that any person who knows what he did and is a person of clear conscience and well thinking mind, unhindered by prejudice and ignorance would agree that if Geertje Wilders dropped dead from a heart attack tomorrow, the world would be a safer more peaceful place. This is regardless of race, religion or gender.

Although I think that most of his supporters do a little dance for joy in their mind whenever a Muslim says that.

this understanding should already be understood and ingrained with anyone who claims Islam. how unfortunate are we that such a matter is not the case.

[muhtadiyah]

The difference is that conversion is a change of mind and heart that happens willingly, isn't it? If Islam was spread by the sword, as Mr. Wilders seems to think, and conversion was the result of coercion, I'd agree with you. Wishing him converted would confirm his negative view.

[Al-Boriqi]

The difference is that conversion is a change of mind and heart that happens willingly, isn't it? If Islam was spread by the sword, as Mr. Wilders seems to think, and conversion was the result of coercion, I'd agree with you. Wishing him converted would confirm his negative view.

my reply was rhetoric modeled in your words for not actualizing the reality of what ramsey said by default of being muslim

[muhtadiyah]

my reply was rhetoric modeled in your words for not actualizing the reality of what ramsey said by default of being muslim

I took your initial response at face value. What you're saying above doesn't really make sense.

[Ramsey]

Wilders could find himself obsessed with World of Warcraft and spend his remaining time on earth pretending to be a gnome with magical powers for all I care. As long as he isn't spreading hatred and misery I couldn't really give a damn.

PS. stating the fact that the world would be a better place without him in it, is not technically wishing him dead but rather just stating the obvious.

[vinod]

my reply was rhetoric modeled in your words for not actualizing the reality of what ramsey said by default of being muslim

And it was rhetoric that failed. That is what muhtadiyah tried to show you.

[vinod]

By The Way, you sure those are the links. They seem to be taking me to a general page and not to a specific video.

[muhtadiyah]

Wilders could find himself obsessed with World of Warcraft and spend his remaining time on earth pretending to be a gnome with magical powers for all I care. As long as he isn't spreading hatred and misery I couldn't really give a damn.

That'd work too, I guess.

PS. stating the fact that the world would be a better place without him in it, is not technically wishing him dead but rather just stating the obvious.

Point taken. But if you want to make the world really peaceful, about 99% of us need to drop dead, doncha think?

[Ramsey]

By The Way, you sure those are the links. They seem to be taking me to a general page and not to a specific video.

I believe that the video the link referred to has been removed. However if you still want to watch them rest assured they can still be found.

[Ramsey]

But if you want to make the world really peaceful, about 99% of us need to drop dead, doncha think?

Every day of my life. And the nice part is that we would have more then enough genetic diversity to repopulate the human race. However there are a few problems with this solution.

Such a high mortality rate would not necessarily result in peace. Not only would we still have a whole lot of people (60 million is still a lot) but we would have world wide chaos. We would have plagues running rampant from all the dead bodies (insufficient scavengers) and the infrastructure would simply become inoperable. Factories would no longer operate etc. Very few people are actually self sufficient these days, although those in agriculture might do fine.

Until of course the people from the cities come there and demand food and basically swarm over the place like locusts. We would also have problems with other things such as education etc etc. The world would plummet into the dark ages and it will take a few generations before we relearn the skills to live with so little.

Of course we're also forgetting all the riots and such that will happen. Rape rates will go sky high for example. And the fearful and paranoid mobs will probably burn a lot of things down.

I don't think that a 99% mortality rate would really achieve the desired goal.