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    This is an interesting article.

    Omar Williamís Testimony

    www.ExamineTheTruth.com

    Omar Williams was raised a Catholic, but his mother was Jewish. He was known as Robert Williams before he left the church and converted to Islam, and then changed his first name to Omar. Omar first started to seriously consider Islam when he was in school. He had a Muslim friend who introduced him to the faith. Omar took a keen interest in learning about the life of Prophet Muhammed(P). During that phase of his life, he also experimented with Buddhism.

    The deciphering moment happened one day when Omar attended Mass at church. When he heard the priest present Jesus as God, Omar kept saying to himself, "no this is wrongÖ" and it was clear that this was a false doctrine, and that the Trinity was a myth. It was that moment, when Omar Williams decided to convert to Islam. For the most part, Omar Williamís friends and family were accepting of his faith. As for his parents, his mother, was very cool with his decision, with the exception of his father, who was shocked. Omars, father, exclaimed, "how could you do this! How could you turn your back on Catholicism!" Inspite of his fatherís pressure, Omar was sure of decision, and remained steadfast. His father basically thought that this was a phase, and that he would snap out of it. But, that didnít stop Omarís father from enlisting the help of the neighborhood thug, Sam "The Sham" Shamoun, to convince his son to come back to Christianity.

    It wasnít until Omar was shopping at a local Muslim bookstore with his friend, is when he first met Sam "The Sham" Shamoun. Omar recalled that day, "he was pretending to be a Muslim". Sam came up and introduced himself to Omar and his friend, and started talking about Islam. Omar didnít seem much interested in talking to him, and started looking around for books to learn about his new faith, but Shamoun, followed him. Omar mentioned, "he kept bugging and disrupting me", trying to start some conversation with Omar. "I didnít want to be rude", mentioned Omar, therefore, he quietly listened to what he had to say.

    It wasnít very long, till Omar and 3 other new converts who fled Christianity towards Islam, would meet up with Shamoun again, but this time at Answering Islamís head quarters at South Asian Christian Friendship Center. There were also other Christian missionaries present there. Sam "The Sham" Shamoun, would then begin his shameless lies against Islam, and try to corner the new Muslim converts. He tried to convince Omar and his friends that Allah, was a Moon God, and attacked the character of the Prophet Muhammed (P). But the so-called "evidence" presented was pathetic at best. The new converts surrounded by the narrow-minded Christian missionaries were like freshman pledges at a fraternity house, who were brutally being hazed. The hazing continued as Shamoun shouted at them:

    "You didnít even know Christ because you were a Catholic!"


    "You never really experience Christ!"


    "You didnít read about Islam enough! You just read the good stuff! There are horrible pieces of Islam!!"

    Shamoun was throwing his worthless Answering Islam articles at them. Omar recalled, that they didnít ignore what the missionaries were saying about Islam. They went back home and researched the points only to find out, that all the arguments were completely fraudulent, based upon false assumptions, twisted interpretations and out right lies! This is what I find with almost all new converts to Islam. They, have surfed the net and came across many of these anti Islamic websites, loaded with all kinds of smut against Islam, yet it was relatively easy for them to detect that the arguments were completely false. Sam "The Sham" Shamoun knows this fact very well, as he himself, a man whoís full time 9-5 job is attacking Islam and trying to convert Muslims (yes, this is his career J ), But Shamoun has openly admitted that, in all his years on the job, he has NEVER been able to convert any Muslim with his foolish "Answering Islam"arguments to his "faith". God, I would hate to see what his performance reviews are like! Think about it, a salesman who has NEVER made a sale in over 7 years on the job!!! J J J

    But Shamoun was clever in his dealings with the freshman pledges. Shamoun knew, that the only way he can "win" is by catching them off guard. Therefore, he would surprise topics on them, hoping that the new Muslim converts would not be familiar with the topics, and he could take advantage of their ignorance. Omar Williams recalled, that they never knew what the topic of the discussion would be, they simply told to "just show up" and they would not tell them what issues were going to be discussed till they arrived at the meeting. In addition to that, they didnít want to discuss previous topics from the meeting before, in which they researched and found that their arguments were fraudulent. The next meeting they completely avoided those issues, because they knew that the new Muslims knew the truth, and that the missionary arguments could easily be refuted! Sam "The Sham" Shamoun tried to pull the same stunt with me, but I quickly moved to exposed him here.

    Therefore, it became clear to Omar, that there was no point in debating with these missionaries, as they were completely brainwashed and not sincere in searching for truth. Omar then decided to avoid them. But Shamoun persisted in pursuing him. As Omar would walk to the masjid, Shamoun would approach him on the way him and would say, "hey Omar you have to read my latest article!". Omar would simply ignore him, like a dog barking.

    Omar Williams also had some comments about the Ahmed-Shamoun debate, "What the Quran says about the Bible (corrupt or uncorrupt)" which you can download here. In regards to the terrible beating Shamoun received for 30 long minutes which has been documented here, Omar appalled at Shamounís stupidity had this to say, "he wontí admit when he is wrong, at least say, good point, Iíll get back to you. He did not want to address it (S.4:157),but he acted like he didÖ and then in then end he said VICTORY FOR CHRIST!ÖÖ I couldnít believe it". Finally, Omar Williams said he would like to thank Sam "The Sham" Shamoun for making him a better Muslim. Omar stated, that before he met Shamoun he was a lukewarm Muslim, but once he witnessed the gross distortions done to the religion of Islam, and how Christian missionaries would shamelessly misrepresent it as Shamoun and his hooligans did, that inspired him to become a better Muslim and devote his life to defending the Truth, and clarifying the misconceptions about Islam. Omar Williams is currently working for The Institute of Islamic Information And Education here in Chicago, IL.
    And say: "Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is bound to perish." (HQ-17:81)
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    My brothers and sisters need to stop taking Answering Islam so seriously, in my opinion. They're a joke. Their arguments are hackneyed and pathetic. Their deceptions are appalling--worst of all being their cowardice to admit defeat with the issue of their laughable "100+ errors in the Koran". Rather than be brave and honest and admit that their list is thoroughly wanting and disproven six ways from Sunday, they suddenly pretend (only after having their blatant mistakes pointed out irrefutably by knowledgeable Muslims) that they weren't trying to show that the Koran necessarily has errors but that Christians and Muslims are in the same boat with the Koran and the Bible, and having the new articles be labeled "Qur'an Difficulty" while the old ones were labled "Qur'an Contradiction" and made it crystal clear what their motives were. Their conversion stories are ridiculous, even more uninteresting than they are uninspiring. I have exposed their nonsense over a number of issues on my website, chief among them being my articles refuting their articles on the Trinity and whether Islam promotes peace.

    They're nothing. They're not a threat and they're not liable to convince any Muslim to become a Christian (although I suppose there may always be a couple who flock, no matter how bad the reasoning behind it). I shouldn't waste any more time on them on my website (and wouldn't have wasted any in the past had those articles of theirs not been so perfectly representative of the usual, similar articles made against Islam for the same reasons). And my brothers and sisters would do well not to waste even their thoughts on the site. There's really no point in complaining about something so harmless. After all, Christian evangelists and apologists are already known for their unethical and dishonest methods.

    The really sad thing, however, is that Answering Islam, for all its faults, is one of the least bad pro-Christian and anti-Muslim sites I've seen (which just goes to show how good a case Christians can ever possibly make against our religion), and so I had to include it in the Anti-Islamic part of the "Links" section on my site's homepage. Sigh.

    That's just my two cents; you go ahead and complain all you want. But I would advise you to remember what the Prophet (P) thought of indignation.

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    You're right about them, Yahya. They are just ignorant clowns. When faced with facts they become useless. For proof of this, download Dr. Zakir Naik's debate with Answering Islam's biggest: Dr. William Campbell. You can get it off that www.examinethetruth.com website already mentioned.

    We should not worry about them. They will burn themselves out.

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    61:8 Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths: But Allah will (only allow) the perfection of His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahya Sulaiman
    My brothers and sisters need to stop taking Answering Islam so seriously, in my opinion. They're a joke. Their arguments are hackneyed and pathetic. Their deceptions are appallingThey're nothing.

    They're not a threat and they're not liable to convince any Muslim to become a Christian

    There's really no point in complaining about something so harmless. After all, Christian evangelists and apologists are already known for their unethical and dishonest methods.
    I couldn't agree more, it's why I have filtered out those with the same views on this site. They can't even convince me NOT to become a Muslim.
    Nearly every thrust of thier arguements was answered in the FIRST book I read on Islam.

    I have personal experiance of the unethical and dishonest methods.

    My only caution is that vast numbers of people in the west don't agree with thier prejudices or thier methods, don't mistake those who just put Christian on the census form with those kinds of bigots. Most wouldn't be able to explain "trinity" if thier lives depended on it. (it used to when the Catholics ran the western world).


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    Is it not (the case) that every time [the people of the Bible] make a covenant, some party among them throw it aside? Nay, most of them are faithless. And when there came to them an apostle from God, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the [Bible] threw away the Book of God [i.e. the Koran] behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!....Quite a number of the People of the [Bible] wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, Till God accomplish His purpose; for God Hath power over all things....And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." (Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation/interpretation of the Koran, Surah 2, Verses 100-111)

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    It was never a concern from without it is the concern from within and is what the without focus on......


    say that out aloud and fast

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    brothers and sisters need to stop taking Answering Islam so seriously, in my opinion. They're a joke. Their arguments are hackneyed and pathetic.
    I've noticed this first-hand.
    At the library in my university, there is an international newsroom that I go to from time to time--I watch the middle-eastern channels to help me learn Arabic--there are many Arabs and Pakistanis in my university so there are about 5 ME channels kept on at any moment.
    While I was watching, waht I assume to be a Christian missonary came in, and handed a group of Arab girls in the corner a pamphlet written in Arabic. After the missionary left the room, they started laughing and saying things in Arabic that I couldn't understand, but I did hear "answering Islam" followed by hysterical laughter.
    The Old Testament (Torah):
    "Hear, O Israel: The Lord is ONE!"
    ( Deuteronomy 6:4)

    The New Testament (The Gospel)
    "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord" (Mark 12:29)

    The FINAL Testament (The Qu'ran):
    "And your God is ONE God: there is no god but He"
    (al-Bakarah 2:163)

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    My take?

    It's a joke. I agree. They are dishonest, prone to lying, and stubborn in the face of refutations.

    Until today, I am still waiting for hawk to prove his case for trinity and the divine incarnation of Christ. He can't even begin to do that without telling lies about his own New Testament.

    It's not that they can't put up a spirited 'attack' on Islam, Yahya. Scripture, to these christians, is just a document that is to be used to assert the Great Commission, or to delegitamize other faiths. Scholarship and contextual reading take a back seat. Mistranlations are tolerated, if it fits into their religious agenda. When shown their mistakes, their minds go into firm double-think. So you shouldn't be surprised at the liberties they take with either the Torah or the Quran. It's just how they were taught.

    They assert that they have jesus' love in their heart of hearts; that their way is NOT to demean other religions. But that is exactly what they are doing. Hypocrisy is another label I will generously heap on them.

    They set up false synangogues and false hebrew ceremonies to lure Jews into Christianity. They set up so-called 'Jesus mosques' and recite the shahadah, if only to fool Muslims into entering their chapels.

    Sad. Very sad. Jesus would have screamed in rage.

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