<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “Seal is not only a abstarct tradition in religions.” </font><hr></blockquote>
I don’t quite understand what you mean by “abstract tradition” but I explained what seal is. I think the meaning is very clear. In addition to this, if you look at the context in which the verse is revealed you will see that the point of mentioning it is clearly to indicate that Muhammad (pbuh) is the last of the Prophets.
i meant its not a literary wordly aspect of itself-seal.there s a physical seal in all religious traditions.and meccan mohammad knows it so he ,to prove that he s last prophet ,uses both:
1-that the black thing at his back is the seal.
2-he had a metal seal
3-another seal production by falsifiyings
thman dropped the real seal of prophet into a well(water hole),and so the metal seal that we have today has been made instead of the droppred seal.
question:what kind of prophet is he that who cant keep his own prophetic seal.who is Othman to keep the seal.why does othman drops the seal into the well.why doesnt othman drop his shoe ,but the seal of the prophet.
4 – <font color="#0000FF"> “…and Allah has full knowledge of all things.” </font> (Surah 33:40) - God knows fully for why He does things and He knew that had this not happened this would have remained).”
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “seal of prophets exists in all traditions and seal has a physical aspect as well.” </font><hr></blockquote>
Could you cite some examples? I know that the word “seal” is used a lot throughout times and it is also used a lot in the Bible but not in the same sense as in the Qur’an. If you are referring to a stamp, such as those used by kings, then that is physical. I’m sure there are other ways in which it is physical too, but it seems clear that the Qur’anic use of the word is not physical in anyway. Can you show how from the Qur’anic verse that cites this word, you get that this has to have a “physical aspect as well”?
Dear Hischam,i cant tell u the secret here,but all religions know the last prophet is the seal of prophets:but no religions have become moslem by believing meccan mohammad to the real last messenger.only we ignorant peoples,arabs,turks,fire-idolators etc believed or forced to believe in meccan mohammad.believers of True religions like jews and christians never believed in mohammad of mecca as a real or the last prophet.even Shias didnt believe it.seal is something more diferent than what poeple take it to be.
” Mohammad looked for a seal to prove himself to be the Real Prophet of Quran”
I think what you are referring to is the ring which Muhammad (pbuh) used to stamp his letters before sending them off in order to authenticate them. So, this is what it was for; to authenticate the letters, otherwise people would not have accepted the letters. It was not because he wanted “to prove himself to be the real Prophet of the Qur’an”. The Qur’an was revealed to him and everyone knew this, hence he didn’t have to prove it.
yes my friend :By that metal ring seal of meccan mohammad , they wanted to demonstrate that "he has the seal of prophets ,thereby meccan mohammad is the last prophet."But no other traditions believed in him ,mostly the two heavenly-holy religions :christianity and jewry
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “my friend ,how can u mean that usr-i ssadet was realised:After MeccAN MOHAMMAD ,the world was full of blood .what kind of "saadat" "golden age " it was.he no way brought peace to humans :he only brought blood to us :believers:arabs:turks mostly.” </font><hr></blockquote>
How did he bring blood into the world? Blood also came in the world through Christians, should we blame this on Paul? Or are you referring to the battles Muhammad (pbuh) took part in? If yes, then I would suspect that you are aware of the fact that Prophets of God that had man power behind them always did fight? Didn’t Moses (pbuh) fight? Didn’t Joshua fight? In addition to this, didn’t David (pbuh) fight? Didn’t Solomon (pbuh) fight? They sure did. In fact, we are told that Moses (pbuh) got 12000 people killed in only one of his wars. My friend, this means that Moses (pbuh) got more people killed in one war than Muhammad (pbuh) did in all of his. No, we say that the Prophet (pbuh) brought about peace and truth. He rid a great part of the world from idol worship and he brought back, monotheism in its purest form. Through him, the Muslims became the biggest society of teetotallers (people that don’t imbibe alcohol which happens to be the biggest killer in the world today) in the world. It is clear that he brought a lot of benefit to the world; they are too many to mention. Peace be upon him!
but my bro:he was named to be the prophet of shalom:religion of shalom.
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “prophets never do such illusions.but illusionists job is it” </font><hr></blockquote>
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “but Kuran never says to him divide the moon into two: in addition ,the moon hasnt been divided yet.” </font><hr></blockquote>
Like I said, it is a Hadith that refers to it and this could be wrong. It is not something fundamental for the Muslims. If it is wrong, this does not prove Muhammad (pbuh) wrong but rather the narrators and or the compiler (whether they did it intentionally or unintentionally).
my friend,i am saying that Meccan Muhammad (i dont mean the real Quran Prophet Muhammad)made the illusion or they produced a hadith that they splitted the moon.
And i am saying prophets never does such things.they do coz they r no real Quran Muhammad.they want to prove themselves to be related to holy quran verses:splitting of the moon.God never says split the moon .God is not playing games with humans.
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “seal of prophet is the prpophet of tye end of the times ,as we know from all religious traditions.” </font><hr></blockquote>
Could you perhaps cite some of these traditions? The Qur’an certainly does not refer to him in the words “Prophet of the end of times”. If you think that the word “khâtam” (“seal”) from Surah 33:40 refers to him being a Prophet in “the end of times” then I’d like to see where in the verse this is indicated because I see no such indication.
Mohammad is Krishna in Hindu
Maitreya in Budism
Christ or messiah in Christianity
Massiah in Jewry
Also Shiloh in jewry
Soishiant in Zoroasters
and Mahdi of so called islam:
Kuran doesnt write the name "mahdi" ,Kuran says "muhammad":but because meccan mohammad stole the name they had to find another name for the real muhammad and they jumped on the name mahdi.
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “and i m asking you ,how can we name " the 1500 years ago " as the end of the times.” </font><hr></blockquote>
I am asking you, when did I or the Muslims in general claim that it is?
how can u ask this question,isnt muhammad the propehet of the end of times?570s possibly isnt the end of times ,but it may be now end of the times.so how comes he can be the prophet of end of the times.
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “even sheba queen didnt come yet.
Who says that a Queen of Sheba has to come?
))) i say ,torah says ,bible says ,and quran says ,hierosgamos says as well.
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “my friend ,Eshub-i Keraam is hightened by meccan mohammad because he wants to find disciples of mesiah from the traditions of holy bible.” </font><hr></blockquote>
What basis do you have for this? The whole point of sending a Messenger is so that he is obeyed and followed. Just because a Prophet has companions, he’s supposed to be imitating Jesus (pbuh)? I think that’s absurd.
NOoooooooo,the case isnt what u say.ashub-i keraam purposefully heightened by mohammad,not by others .coz muhammad of mecca must prove himself to be the messiah,of the traditions .messiah is needed to hAVE 12 disciples .but there were no real disciples.so he aimed to make up of false disciples out of his friends.
By the way, what is “Eshub-i-Keraam? Is it Turkish? Are you referring to the Sahabah-Ikraam? I think you are.
yes "Sahabah-i Keraam"
<blockquote><hr><font size="2"> “but meccan mohammad even doesnt know what the 12 disciples is ,so he makes the trick :hightening EShab-i Keram wishing them to be understood as the disciples of the messiah.of whom covenants were signed-saved (Quran)” </font><hr></blockquote>
What evidence do you have that the Prophet (pbuh) tried to trick people into thinking that his companions were Jesus’ (pbuh) disciples? Also, Jesus (pbuh) had the famous twelve disciples. Did Muhammad (pbuh) have that? Who had more followers? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did. So, these are clear differences that show that he wasn’t trying to imitate Jesus (pbuh).
my friend :mohammad didnt know what disciples are .even christianity is wrong in this matter .
Disciples are 12 "Seal", "Point" , "important" prophets who will obey The last messenger whose covenants were taken .