is Jesus God?

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In some respects Peter may have been misled by Jesus' word at first, but he later realized the true meaning of them when he said "But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard "delay", but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."(2 Peter 3:8) It is certainly beneficial to us to live every day like the last so this message brought forth.

I'm not sure what the author of http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=86 is trying to say with the book of Revelation being unsealed. Most of the book revelation can be derived by Daniel, Isaiah, Jerimiah, and the book of enoch anyways. The sealed portion of Revelation is the voice of the 7 thunders.

Paul explicitly states the end of the world cannot occur until the gospel is preached to all nations as said in Isaiah.

shall be caught up...in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air!" For Paul there was no doubt that Jesus would arrive before he and the believers he addressed would all be dead."We," including himself, "shall not all sleep" [1 Cor 15:51].
"We shall not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed, in an instant, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." Paul is clearly stating that the last trumpet will wake up the dead. It is not a claim of not dying.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Christianity has been preached to all nations by now.

I am the poster formerly known as American Deist.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Also, try this one on for size. According to the Bible, the blessed Jesus was a hypocrite:

"Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire." (Matthew 5:22)

"You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?" (Matthew 23:17)

"You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also?" (Luke 11:40)

Also, I don't know whether or not you believe the Bible contains any errors at all, but here is the best example of a clear contradiction in the text that I know of:

"When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, 'It is finished'; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:30)

"Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, 'Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!' And having said this he breathed his last. (Luke 23:46)

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Edited by - Surah on 10/20/2003 06:13:41

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Christianity has been preached to all nations by now.
No, it hasn't been. This has no bearing on the actual prophesy though. The prophesy only says after.

Also, try this one on for size. According to the Bible, the blessed Jesus was a hypocrite:

"Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire."
Liable for hell. If someone is truely foolish, then there's no repute with saying the truth.

Also, I don't know whether or not you believe the Bible contains any errors at all, but here is the best example of a clear contradiction in the text that I know of:
No, there are clear mistranslations in some places.

"When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, 'It is finished'; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:30)

"Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, 'Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!' And having said this he breathed his last. (Luke 23:46)

I don't see any contradiction in light of the fact that the crucification was observed by only a few Jesus' disciples and there are possible ordering of events that would not make this a contradiction. For example, if "gave up his spirit" meant "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this breathed his last" then there's no contradiction. As far as I can tell, the gospels that were not written directly by the apostles were written off of oratations given by the apostles. This is what the fragment of Papias tells us at least. I don't think the apostles were concerned about getting every single detail unrelated to the message right. Thus it is possible that in telling the story minor variations developed.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Okay, so you're not an inerrantist. That's good. Please tell me what you meant by this, because I can't figure it out:

"Liable for hell. If someone is truely foolish, then there's no repute with saying the truth."

I am the poster formerly known as American Deist.