What was the Prophet (pbuh)?

[Guest]

Salaam All

This is an issue which is hot in contemporary discussions and debates, and something which is rather close to my heart. Often, I find that people, with the best of intentions no doubt, seem to degrade the character and person of the Prophet (pbuh) by the smallest of thoughts and deeds. Personally, I believe that the Prophet (pbuh)'s word is law, every word of it. Just as the companions thought. If the Prophet (pbuh) used the miswak, then guess what? If he wore an imamah, then guess what? Yes he was an Arab, but Allah had complete wisdom in sending him like that. A rolemodel for all times. Why should we speculate the level of completion? Either we say that he was only complete religious wise, or he was complete as a complete way of life. Which is it?

Regards

[Mikal]

Define what the word "politics" means in the poll.

[Guest]

A statesman. He mixed in with his people, so we should do the same.

[Guest]

Perhaps my intent here was all too transparent. Perhaps the options werent hidden carefully enough. Hahaha! Come on, Im trying to provoke Ron to a dialogue here. The lion wont come out of his den.

So how about it? Anyone gonna come forward and discuss about how the Prophet was "just an Arab" and how we should all ride camels too? Come on, come on. You're all invited. Let's talk about how Islam is all in the heart and how the physical is so minor that we can walk around looking like Calvin Klein models rather than imitate the Prophets. Anyone provoked yet?

[Hashim]

wa'alaaykum'salaam,

Haroon I think your provoking digs will go unanswered here in this discussion as I think we are all in agreement that our beloved messenger of Allaah (Sallallhu'alaayhee'wa'salaam) was sent as a mercy and a guidance to all of mankind for all of time. Everything he (sallallhualayhee'wa'salaam) done when he delivered the message of 'at tawheed is a example for us to imitate and follow this example. You have raised the issue of clothing and used the example of Islaamic clothing, when you dress Islaamicly you are not only obeying your 'fitraa but you feel like it is very easy to commit good deeds and very hard to commit haraam, we know that we are establishing our Islaamci identiy and we know that we are dressing humbly, modestly and respectable. What better example is there, is there are a better role-model than Rasool'Allaah? By Allaah, no.

And Allaah knows best.

[Mikal]

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#004.055.649

So since both Muhammed (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) are of equal stature, they are both complete guides. Hence, Muslims must simultaneously have long, flowing hair and wear a turban. That sounds perfectly logical to me. Also, I don't ride a camel to school nor do I speak Arabic, so I guess I'm not a true believer in the Prophet (pbuh) and will be going to hell.

The fact is, all the prophets looked different (though Mohammed [pbuh] and Abraham [pbuh] happened to look similar) and they all likely had their own idiosynchracies. I'm almost positive that Allah (swt) wouldn't want you to get major plastic surgery in order to look like Mohammed (pbuh). Show me the hadith that states that the Prophet (pbuh) said that eating with three fingers was better than eating with all five.

[Guest]

http://www.masmn.org/documents/Hadit...en/02_0109.htm

[Mikal]

http://www.masmn.org/documents/Hadit...en/02_0109.htm

So saying that licking of the fingers is preferable = saying that eating with three fingers is preferable?

I think you need to read your own link before posting it. Otherwise you make a fool of yourself by posting something that has nothing to do with the argument.

Also, I'd like to know how you can explain away the fact that Mohammed (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) did different things with their hair. Because, according to you, Mohammed (pbuh) is a complete guide and since Jesus (pbuh) is of equal stature, logically, he would be a complete guide as well. Should we grow another head so that we can have two different styles?

[Guest]

Salaam Mikal

The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was for his people and his time. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was for all people and all times. The law of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) now stands before the law of the others, as does his Sunnah, as does his path. Jesus (pbuh) didnt pray the way we pray. This is from the Deen of Muhammad (pbuh). It negates all that came before it. So hard luck bro.

Warmest, Fondest Regards

[Mikal]

Salaam Mikal

The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was for his people and his time. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was for all people and all times. The law of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) now stands before the law of the others, as does his Sunnah, as does his path. Jesus (pbuh) didnt pray the way we pray. This is from the Deen of Muhammad (pbuh). It negates all that came before it. So hard luck bro.

Warmest, Fondest Regards

Really? Then why does the Qur'an emphasize not making a difference between the Prophets? You're essentially saying that you don't believe in Jesus (pbuh) yet you believe in Mohammed (pbuh).

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The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

[Guest]

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the greatest of all the Prophets. He led them all in prayer before he ascended the Heavens. He alone will intercede for all humanity on the Day of Judgement. He is the the Habeeb (beloved) of Allah.

[Mikal]

He alone will intercede for all humanity on the Day of Judgement.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#004.055.658

Also, stating that he is the "greatest" not only would qualify as "making a difference" between the prophets, it would also suggest that the prophets before him were in some way deficient which would in turn seem to suggest that Allah (swt) can't pick his messengers well.

[Guest]

Not at all my friend. There was nothing deficient about them, there was just something exceptional about him.

[Mikal]

Not at all my friend. There was nothing deficient about them, there was just something exceptional about him.

If one is better, another one has to be worst. If one is superior, another one has to be deficient because there is nothing higher than perfect, there are only things lower.

[Guest]

Ah brother. Im going to sleep now. You go too *yawn*. Maybe tomorrow I'll try and convince you! Take care brother, wasalaam.