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    Unhappy Islam tell us to kill non believers?

    hi i was wondering if you guys can help me...
    im a mulsim and i have faith in Allah and Prophet Muhammed(pbuh)..but i have a problem..

    a guy in my class (he is a total muslim-hater) asked me this " Why does ur religion tell u to kill me"..i was like no it doesnt it says to defend urself IF they (anyone) stricks at u...
    and he was like "no there r verses in the Quran that says to kill..i have read the Quran and i'll even show the verses"..the best answer i cud come up with is "well the Quran can be interperted in differnt ways by differenrt people".i was totally dumbfounded cuz i didnt know how to defend my self..i read some things in the Quran abt "jihad and stuff"..i know that Islam is a peaceful religion and it does not allow the killing of innocent beings..BUT i was surfing the net and i found verses of the Quran translated saying like kill those those dont obey God and God will be behind u..the Quran was quated in many places reagrding killing the non believers..

    so can somone plzzzzzzz help me out as to what the meaning is when the Quran states or implies or sothing regarding the killings...pla help me.i need to know and defend my religion ...

    to end the guy told me "why dont u convert into Christianity"....
    and i said no "i believe in my my God and why shud i convert"..
    so plz some help me asap..

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    The verses which he shows you are most likely taken out of context.



    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
    Surah Baqarah ayah 190

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    he hasnt shown me but he is goin to tmw..he told..so i have to perpare myself..so guys plz help

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    Salam
    Your classmate pulled one of the oldest tricks in the book (no pun intended) when it comes to misquoting the Quran. A sentence pulled out of it’s proper context can and most probably will misguide anyone.

    Whenever the Quran speaks of fighting, it is always in the event that another hostile party has attacked the Muslim community and is threatening lives. Only then has Allah ordained fighting against the enemy, but always warning not to transgress any limits, which apply to all Muslims during warfare. In addition, Allah also tells you to stop fighting the second the enemy stops.

    This is more or less the basic principle in Islam regarding fighting, and at no other occasion are the Muslims allowed to take up arms.
    I hope that clarifies things a little for you. If your classmate persists in his unjust quote making, ask him exactly what sura he is referring to.
    You may then post it here on the forum and I, or someone more knowledgeable, will tell you what the context for that sura is.

    If you ever find yourself “dumbfounded” again, don’t feel pressured to answer there and then, but instead tell that you will get back to them after looking things up for yourself. Should you be unable to make sense of things, ask someone who has more knowledge, like you did with your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waqas Zia View Post
    Salam
    Your classmate pulled one of the oldest tricks in the book (no pun intended) when it comes to misquoting the Quran. A sentence pulled out of it’s proper context can and most probably will misguide anyone.

    Whenever the Quran speaks of fighting, it is always in the event that another hostile party has attacked the Muslim community and is threatening lives. Only then has Allah ordained fighting against the enemy, but always warning not to transgress any limits, which apply to all Muslims during warfare. In addition, Allah also tells you to stop fighting the second the enemy stops.

    This is more or less the basic principle in Islam regarding fighting, and at no other occasion are the Muslims allowed to take up arms.
    I hope that clarifies things a little for you. If your classmate persists in his unjust quote making, ask him exactly what sura he is referring to.
    You may then post it here on the forum and I, or someone more knowledgeable, will tell you what the context for that sura is.

    If you ever find yourself “dumbfounded” again, don’t feel pressured to answer there and then, but instead tell that you will get back to them after looking things up for yourself. Should you be unable to make sense of things, ask someone who has more knowledge, like you did with your post.
    thank u so much for ur reply.it has given me an understanding as to how to respond to thse "accusations"..thx

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    Salaam Nahar

    Tell him that everything has a context, and the context of each verse is easily understood if you just take it back to the circumstances is was revealed under. If you get stuck dont worry about it, be calm and cool and tell him something that you can remember about the life of the Prophet and his mercy and tolerance. If you think it will help, link him up to this website and tell him to ask us his questions!

    Take it easy and dont worry!

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    Salam Nahar,

    Quote Originally Posted by nahar View Post
    hi i was wondering if you guys can help me...
    This guy is going to throw at you anyone of the following verses.

    The first verse:
    [002:191] And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

    Here is the answer:
    All you need to do is put the verses in context and they are self explanatory(Pay attension to the text in blue):

    [002:190] Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.
    [002:191] And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
    [002:192] But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
    [002:193] And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression

    The second verse:
    [009:005] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Here is the answer:
    This verse refers to the pagans who failed to uphold the peace treaty with the Muslims, and also subsequently refers to anyone who does the same. The verse immediately before, which is 9:4 refers to the pagans who have upheld the treaty and did not break it, God commands the Muslims not to fight them:

    [009:004] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God loveth the righteous.

    The verse immediately after 9:5 says Muslims can infact harbour pagans who do not wish to fight, there is no mention that they must convert:

    [009:006] If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

    The third verse:
    [009:029] Fight those from among the people of the Book, who believe not in ALLAH, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what ALLAH and HIS Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering it a favour and acknowledge their subjection.

    Here is the answer:
    The above verse was revealed after the conquest of Mecca by the Muslims (Muslims had won the war against the pagans at this point and were in the process of establishing the Islamic laws over the land).

    The verse states that the non-believers among the people of the book (Jews & Christians) who do not uphold their true religion and refuse to follow the new laws (Islamic Laws) of the land have to pay a tax (Jizya) or else they will be fought against.

    It is essential to mention that Muslims themselves used to pay a tax called zakat (A pillar of Islam), of which a significant amount went straight to Bait el-mal (the treasury). It would be unfair for Muslims to contribute to the treasury and not the non-Muslims, don’t you think?

    That tax was also put in place as an acknowledgement of the new rule of Islam over the land; those people had to accept that they are living under the rule of Muslims in the nation of Islam. Poor non-Muslims never had to pay this tax; in fact they were recipients of it in the form of charity.


    Scholars differed among themselves regarding the last part of the verse ‘acknowledge their subjection’. Some said that they have to be humiliated while paying the tax, some said that paying the tax is in itself an acknowledgement of the subjection, and there are other views in between those two.

    The fourth verse:
    [005:051] O you who believe, do not take (certain) Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.

    Here is the answer:
    We have to put the verses in context again:

    [005:051] O you who believe, do not take (certain) Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
    [005:052] You will see those who harbor doubt in their hearts hasten to join them, saying, "We fear lest we may be defeated." May GOD bring victory, or a command from Him, that causes them to regret their secret thoughts.
    [005:053] The believers will then say, "Are these the same people who swore by GOD solemnly that they were with you?" Their works have been nullified; they are the losers.

    These verses talk about believers (Muslims) who were not sure whether the Muslims will prevail in their struggle against the unbelievers or not; this is obvious from verse [005:052].

    And as a result they took Jews and Christians as guardians or as backup just in case the Muslims lost. The Quran describes them as people with doubt or hypocrites (literally: people with disease in their hearts). They did not have full confidence in what they believed in, and consequently felt the need to have an escape plan in case of defeat.

    Verse [005:051] states that Muslims should not make the Jews and Christians their guardians (over other Muslims), and not to entrust them with their lives as allies in war. The verse primarily refers to protection in time of war or hostility. It says not to take Jews and Christians as allies against whomever else we maybe fighting thinking that they will offer us protection in case we lost.

    Good luck.
    Salam

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    thanx ..im goin to print it and read it throughly

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    Selam aleykum
    Amoz already gave some good explenations about these verses. And indeed when you look at the complete text it's a whole difrent thing then when you're just looking at a single verse of it. For the second vers discussed there, the one about breaking the treaty you might also want to bring up a lil bit more context.
    Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) tried to establish peace with the polytheists of Mecca. Eventually they proposed a truce. The conditions were very beneficial for the people of Mecca, and there were only two rules in favor of the Muslims. That they would be safe from attacks and that they could visit Mecca freely during the Holy month for performing pilgrimage. Eventually it were the polytheists from Mecca who broke the truce by attacking and murdering/slaughtering Muslims. Even though the pact was broken, Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) still didn’t fight them back. Then he was told to do so in his own defense by revelation of one of those verses. So given this the verse has a completely difrent sound wouldn't you agree?

    Anyway, there's a whole lot of site's there on the web that specialise in these kind of distortions. And for every reply you formulate you can expect another lie to come your way. The best way to deal with this is question the source. Like when a guy comes at you with such a question and you don't have an answer ask him: where did you get that from? Did you actually read the qur'an to check wheter your source was right? Do you think it's wise to rely on anti-islamic sites to form an idea about Islam? And so on. Most of them will realise by these questions that they actually have very lil' knowledge and have been trusting others blindly. That's your cue to invite them to read the qur'an
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    what this guy needs to knwo is that for every verse in the quran, there is something called "nuzool" meaning the reason for revelation.

    as for those ayah which he speaks of, all of those versus he speaks of were either

    1. when they (the first muslims) were in a war, which means that the verse could only be applied during war time and it may have specific or general application depending on the situation
    2. they were either in a treaty and the enemies who had a treaty with the muslims broke it, so the verse pertained to that situation

    so there are various contexts and realities that these versus are to be understood in light of, and this guy made it general for all at all times which is misguidance , a heresy

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    thank u guys for all or comments

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    Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will believe in your religion inspite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allah [the Taurat (Torah)], then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?

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    Good one Hyd.

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