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    You bring up the current Israeli-Hezbollah conflict in order to try and make it appear as though Israel is to blame for all of this recent brutality and loss of human life. Well, I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for the destruction that Israel has so severely inflicted upon Lebanon. Who do you think so stupidly initiated this conflict in the first place by killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers in their own territory without provocation? What fools these radical “Islamic guerillas” are by intentionally picking a fight with the mighty state of Israel? You can only blame the cowards of Hezbollah for hiding behind innocent civilians and using the general population as human shields. They hide out in schools, residential buildings, hospitals and even mosques to conceal their cache of weaponry and mobile rocket launchers. That is why innocent Lebanese women and children have had to suffer and be so brutally murdered, and trust me, there’s a lot more Lebanese devastation on the way. The IDF has demonstrated the utmost precision, as much as is humanly possible, in order to neutralize these fanatics who hide amongst the general population. Israel could have ended this conflict in a week had they utilized their vast military capability by carpet bombing a 12 mile swath of Lebanese land bordering northern Israel as a buffer zone in order to protect them from Katyushas. The IDF has used only 5% of their vast air power thus far in this conflict and a fraction of the ground forces necessary to swiftly neutralize the enemy. Had Israel not taken the measured response they did, the collateral damage (i.e. killing of innocent civilians) would be in the tens of thousands instead of hundreds. I suppose you think that Hezbollah’s indiscriminate launching of over 3,000 Katyusha rockets, the sole purpose of which is to inflict the utmost carnage and to kill as many Israeli’s as possible with their shrapnel-loaded warheads, into northern Israel against innocent civilians is not more egregious? These radical Islamic morons, Hezbollah, are totally responsible for the destruction that has befallen the Lebanese people. The government of Lebanon has brought this conflict upon their country for not abiding by two previous U.N. resolutions calling for the disarmament of these terrorist thugs. During Israel’s 18 yearlong occupation of southern Lebanon, not a single rocket was launched into Israeli territory. The Israeli’s withdrew in the interest of promoting peace and look what has happened in the five or six years since. Clearly the Lebanese government was too weak and totally powerless to take control of their own people and allowed these Islamic fanatics to built up an arsenal of weapons with the help and support of two radical Islamic regimes, Iran and Syria, both of which will ultimately meet their own demise as well at the hands of the IDF. The rhetoric coming out of Iran calling for the complete and utter destruction of Israel is a classic example of why Islam is a farce and a threat to all peace loving people of the world! Israel has the right to defend herself, and I assure you, that Israel will be the victor and eradicate their enemies as they have done time and time before. Let us not forget that Israel posses the neutron bomb, which by the way, just happened to be developed by a Jewish physicist, and they will not hesitate to use it if attacked by Iran or any of their Arab ‘neighbors’. Mel Gibson, the anti-Semite that he truly is, had it all wrong when he said that the Jews are responsible for all of the world’s wars, when in fact it is the Muslims who are really the culprits. My previous post and commentary with regards to Islam not being a peaceful religion that you evidently feel is “unwarranted” are backed by historical recorded fact and contains absolutely no misrepresentations of the truth.

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    Neither side is acting as they should. Period.

    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    My previous post and commentary with regards to Islam not being a peaceful religion that you evidently feel is “unwarranted” are backed by historical recorded fact and contains absolutely no misrepresentations of the truth.
    Are you referring to the thread where all of your misconceptions were proven wrong and you have since not posted?

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    Salam Mikal,

    I'm not 100% certain that Lenstern is a real person. We might be dealing with an automated reply-bot here, hence the lack of replies. Other than that, I guess you're on point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatosk
    Salam Mikal,

    I'm not 100% certain that Lenstern is a real person. We might be dealing with an automated reply-bot here, hence the lack of replies. Other than that, I guess you're on point.

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    I wouldn't doubt it.

    Salaam.

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    I can assure you that I am a not only a real person, but a very well informed one at that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    I can assure you that I am a not only a real person, but a very well informed one at that!
    Well informed in what field?

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    Why doesn't anyone on this forum even attempt to challenge me on my assertions and supposed allegations regarding the the real truth behind your Prophet Mohammad? All I have heard thus far is an attempt to try and side track the real issues at hand by accusing me of false interpretations of the Koran as an excuse. I will tell you why, because it is an absolute fact that all Muslims are simply in total denial regarding the Prophet Mohammad. I find it inconceivable that any of you are actually trying to reconcile the truth by evading the core foundation by which my commentary is based upon. For your information, I am Agnostic and follow no particular religion whatsoever. History speaks for itself!

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    Zain's post   Expand this


    From: http://uiforum.uaeforum.org/showthread.php?t=3490

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    I also see in one of your previous posts that you claim that Muhammad (pbuh) was a "pedophile" and a "common criminal." I'm afraid that you're misinformed when it comes to both issues. First, about the claim of pedophilia, it is a very well established fact that Muhammad (pbuh) had a great number of enemies during his lifetime. How is it then that absolutely none of his contemporary enemies ever wrote anything negative concerning his marriage with Aisha? I imagine that if she were unsuitable for marriage then it would quite an easy target. Now, about the claim that he was a criminal, I'm assuming you're referring to the caravan raids. First off, these caravan raids came after the Meccans began confiscating the Muslims' possesions so there was already an understood state of war. Secondly, caravan raids were seen as more of a sport than an act of war at the time. If you're going to bash something then you should at least study up on it.

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    Peace lenstern,
    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    Why doesn't anyone on this forum even attempt to challenge me on my assertions and supposed allegations regarding the the real truth behind your Prophet Mohammad? All I have heard thus far is an attempt to try and side track the real issues at hand by accusing me of false interpretations of the Koran as an excuse. I will tell you why, because it is an absolute fact that all Muslims are simply in total denial regarding the Prophet Mohammad. I find it inconceivable that any of you are actually trying to reconcile the truth by evading the core foundation by which my commentary is based upon. For your information, I am Agnostic and follow no particular religion whatsoever. History speaks for itself!
    It would be helpful if you supported your 'assertions and supposed allegations' with something that at least resembles empirical facts or historical evidence. That would give everyone here something concrete to go on. Coming and making bald claims can only lend itself to an "I say - you say" type discussion, which isn't very productive, I'm sure you'll agree.

    It would also be helpful if you studiously address the response you've already been given, and explain why you think it's insufficient.

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    Peace Lenstern,

    Thank you for your post.

    Sorry for suspecting foul play, what with bots and all. It's just that your post seemed eerily akin to run-of-the-mill warmongery, the type that bots defecate all around the web. It wasn't my intention to equate you with a pre-programmed rhetoribot. I apologize for the faux pas.
    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    Why doesn't anyone on this forum even attempt to challenge me on my assertions and supposed allegations regarding the the real truth behind your Prophet Mohammad?
    Perhaps it's due to fatigue? You see, the pedophile thang is the oldest trick in the book. Honestly, I've seen it more times than I care to count. If you can spare a couple of minutes of your time, the discussions about the issue are readily available pretty much anywhere, even on this very forum. I could, of course, point you towards the correct thread, but I cannot be bothered. The reasons for such laziness, you ask? Ok then; A) I seriously doubt it'll make any difference, in other words you will believe what you want to believe regardless of facts presented, and that's it, and B) I somewhat doubt you're actually here to discuss, but rather to simply release some pent up frustration. That's understandable too, so don't fret, ok? Just be respectful towards people and the things they hold dear, and you'll be fine.

    Oh, by the way; if the only way you can "discuss" a matter is by proving someone wrong, I doubt this is the correct arena for you. There are other "discussion" forums out there that provide ample room for that kind of speech.
    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    All I have heard thus far is an attempt to try and side track the real issues at hand by accusing me of false interpretations of the Koran as an excuse.
    With all due respect, dear Lenstern, you've presented hundreds of "real" issues. Are you seriously expecting this community to respond to them all in a ten-word-post?
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    I will tell you why, because it is an absolute fact that all Muslims are simply in total denial regarding the Prophet Mohammad.
    That assertion of yours is at the same time both sweet and disappointing to read. Am I correct in assuming that you've managed to understand the Truth™ about Islam whereas millions upon millions -- nay, make that billions -- of people haven't managed to pull off such a gargantuan feat, even with hundreds of years of contemplation at their disposal? Is this a somewhat correct assessment of your assertion(s)?
    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    I find it inconceivable that any of you are actually trying to reconcile the truth by evading the core foundation by which my commentary is based upon.
    With all due respect, dear Lenstern, your commentary was -- lacking a better word -- a load of horse manure. You have seemingly mixed up two entirely different concepts into a bizarre and subjective, rhetorical dish, which you then proceed to serve without paying heed to neither religious nor historical realities.
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    For your information, I am Agnostic and follow no particular religion whatsoever.
    I am happy you've found your calling.
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    History speaks for itself!
    Actually, history is silent.

    It is people who speak.

    And people, as you most assuredly are aware, are biased and fallible.


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    Greetings Lenstern

    Why doesn't anyone on this forum even attempt to challenge me
    At the moment we are busy welcoming you and making you feel comfortable. It does get a bit repetitive having to say the same thing again and again. The noble Prophet of Islam does not need us to defend him or his honour, but defend it we will, once you produce a challenge worth the effort of course. No offence.

    Take care, remember deep breaths help calm the mind. If you want to dialogue like a human, then address us like humans, not like dogs and then we will discuss. Who knows in all your anti-Muslim hype you might realise the truth.

    Warmest, Fondest, Most Loving Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenstern
    What fools these radical “Islamic guerillas” are by intentionally picking a fight with the mighty state of Israel? <<cut>> Israel could have ended this conflict in a week had they utilized their vast military capability
    Well, the mighty state of US is unable to keep the peace in Iraq and get the resistance down.. what makes you believe Israel can do it in the south of Lebanon? They can nuke it.. but then a few nukes will return too.
    “The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi

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    Now Muslims all over the world can be proud of and rejoice in the attempted mission to spread Allah's teachings of promoting world peace by honoring their newest would be martyrs. These three alleged ringleaders of today's foiled terror plot to blow up nine passenger airplanes are our faithful brothers who share in their collective ideology by simply trying to promote this most "peaceful" of religions known as Islam.

    -Mohammed al-Ghandra

    -Rashid Rauf

    -Ahmed al-Khan

    May Allah (swt) reward and protect them!

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    Peace Lenstern,

    Thank you for the post.

    I have no idea of what you're talking about (seemingly I'm not keeping up with current events..), but you seem to be infatuated with bunching up people into a convenient bunch and condemning them wholesale. If that rocks your boat, you're welcome. Please be adviced that it's a fallacy, though.

    Just a friendly reminder from Squiridae Administration.

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