prayer and the way everyone prayed back then before islam became

[tynita*226]

asalaamu alaikum

Now please don't get mad or anything I'm new to Islam. I just wanted to clear something up. When Isa(bless him) was the present prophet from Allah and Mary(bless her) was present, Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they make salaat? Now what was Isa religion? If It was Christianity then why did he pray the way Muslims did? As I understand(i've been told) that a scripture in the Bible said that he was on his hands and knees right? and so was Mary?. I don't know or did know any Christians that praise that way.

[Guest]

Salaam.

Isa (a.s) wasnt a Christian (follower of Christ), he was a Muslim (submitter). All the Prophets were submitters (i.e. Muslims).

Regards

[tynita*226]

asalaamu alaikum


I was told the samething you just told me but I had to make sure that the person that told me that info. was correct.

[Dragonlady]

asalaamu alaikum

Now please don't get mad or anything I'm new to Islam. I just wanted to clear something up. When Isa(bless him) was the present prophet from Allah and Mary(bless her) was present, Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they make salaat? Now what was Isa religion? If It was Christianity then why did he pray the way Muslims did? As I understand(i've been told) that a scripture in the Bible said that he was on his hands and knees right? and so was Mary?. I don't know or did know any Christians that praise that way.

Can you provide the scripture that says Jesus and Mary prayed on his hands and knees? BTW Jesus and Mary were Jews, so they prayed like Jew's.

[Abrarur]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they make salaat? Now what was Isa religion? If It was Christianity then why did he pray the way Muslims did?

I heard a similar thing.

BTW Jesus and Mary were Jews, so they prayed like Jew's.

http://www.submission.org/jews.html

[Dragonlady]

I heard a similar thing.


http://www.submission.org/jews.html

"Halachically a person's prayer should contain three elements. standing prayers, seated prayers and prostrate prayers. The 'SHEMA" is said seated, the 'AMIDAH' is said standing and what follows is called 'NEFILLAT APAYIM' ( Falling on the Face). Today in Europe as elsewhere, this is practiced without hitting the knees or the floor except on Yom Kippur. It is generally done sitting down, and the face is buried in the arm.
The proper way is to lie down on the floor, on your face and turn your will and life over to the care of God. This is Halachically correct and may be practiced almost anywhere and anytime in public or private, with certain notable exceptions, (on Sabbath, at weddings and other Simchas, on yom tov, in a Shiva house etc.)
The Torah expressely forbids the following:
Prostrating oneself spread-eagled, (flat on the ground with arms and legs spread wide apart) when the floor is a mosaic specifically designed for this practice, and when the floor is not that of the Temple in Jerusalem!! Otherwise you might in fact be correct in saying that the spread-eagle prostration is in fact quintessentially Jewish, and will be reintroduced in the next Temple (swiftly and in our days etc.).
Imagine lying flat, spread-eagled, on the stone floor, and saying to God:
" Take it, take my will and my life, take my hand and lead me as a child. Or take my life and let me die right here and right now. I cannot move from here without Your lifting me upright and without You holding me tightly."
So much for the origins of prostration. There is reference in Maimonedes to the Islamic practice of prostration with the "TUSH" sticking up in the air. Which practice he found disgusting, repugnant, and probably based on vestigial idol worshipping rituals. Specifically to 'Baal Peor' which involved raising the bottom to the idol and doing not-nice-things"

www.jacsweb.org/Library/Stories/kneeling.html

http://www.jewfaq.org/liturgy.htm (good article, takes from 'To Pray As A Jew' )

Jews traditionally (and still do) stand to pray. There is a prostrate position (one is described above), however from descriptions I have found (there may be contrary but I haven't found them yet) it does seem as though there are differences in the way (trad) Jews and Muslims pray.
I would have to see a copy of To Pray As A Jew to be certain but it seems as though Submission have pasted together 2 different positions to get one prostration. I also found a site that claimed to get its article from submission and the picture of the prostration runs the other way (the standing before the prostration)!

How did Abraham pray?
He had no established prayers or positions. The Jewish prayers etc were established over time, centuries after Abraham.

[Guest]

Salaam.

Stay away from submission.org. It is the site of the so called Quran-only people. They dont believe in the authority of the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh). Research Rashid Khalifa, and you will find what im on about. The man was killed because of his anti-islamic rubbish.

Regards

[Abrarur]

The man was killed because of his anti-islamic rubbish.

woah..man...

[tynita*226]

asalaamu aliakum

dragonlady, I can not provide the information on that because i didn't know. That's why I said that I wanted to make sure so that means that Jesus wasn't Christian right? You still didn't tell me anything either so explain to me? or someone else explain please?

[Ratatosk]

Salam tynita*226,

someone else explain please?

If you're refering to the christian thing; oh yes, Jesus(pbuh) wasn't a christian.

Wa'salam

[Dragonlady]

asalaamu aliakum

dragonlady, I can not provide the information on that because i didn't know. That's why I said that I wanted to make sure so that means that Jesus wasn't Christian right? You still didn't tell me anything either so explain to me? or someone else explain please?

Hi Tynita
I hope this is clearer,
To be a Christian is to be a follower of Jesus Christ, hence the name Christian. Jesus was brought up in a Jewish family, society etc. So he was Jewish, he went to the synagogue (sp?) read the Torah and so forth. He never called himself a Christian (because then he would be calling himself a follower of Christ) or his disciples Christians. He certainly never called them Muslims either. Jesus Christ was not a Muslim.

In regard to 'Jews used to pray like Muslims do now', this seems to be a myth.
The article from Submission bases this theory on a book called (from memory) 'How does a Jew pray'. However, from a Jewish site who also based their article on the same book we see, that is not true. From this site and another site that copied the Submission article we can see the picture on Submission that purports to a Jew prostrating is a fake...

[Hsan Khashim]

Hi Tynita
I hope this is clearer,
He certainly never called them Muslims either. Jesus Christ was not a Muslim.

Of course...he was the follower of Ibrahim pbuh. the father of Islam.Muhammad pbuh is also a follower of the religion of Ibrahim pbuh. Muhammad pbuh completed Islam with the Quran. Its as simple as that.

In regard to 'Jews used to pray like Muslims do now', this seems to be a myth.

False. Arceological facts prove that Prophets dating back to Sulaiman pbuh, did indeed pray like the muslim...I recall a documentary of the life of Sulaiman pbuh, who is mentioned to always prostrate to Allah for a long time that there are marks of his knees on the floor.

Who am i joking, cek out your christians sister in the church, nuns...ive seen in the newspaper mother terresa with her followers prostrating like muslims...except without hand sprung out.

...Submission article we can see the picture on Submission that purports to a Jew prostrating is a fake...

Try researching on documented historical coverage of the past prophets...starting at the place they preached...the place they like to seek refuge to Allah..and so on. Jews today have changed...just like the Christians today...and might i say...changed a lot dont you think so...or should i say...modernisation...i'd like to think so! :knifehead

[Dragonlady]

Of course...he was the follower of Ibrahim pbuh. the father of Islam.Muhammad pbuh is also a follower of the religion of Ibrahim pbuh. Muhammad pbuh completed Islam with the Quran. Its as simple as that.

:goofy: Simple yet very ineffective. Abraham wasn't a Muslim, Jesus wasn't a Muslim. Tell me, did Abraham pray five times a day? Buddhists prostrate themselves, are they following Abrahams 'Islamic' religion?
For centuries people would prostrate themselves before their Kings and Rulers, were they following Abrahams 'Islamic' religion???


False. Arceological facts prove that Prophets dating back to Sulaiman pbuh, did indeed pray like the muslim...I recall a documentary of the life of Sulaiman pbuh, who is mentioned to always prostrate to Allah for a long time that there are marks of his knees on the floor.

As for Solomon, how do 'knee marks' prove that Solomon was PROSTRATE and NOT SIMPLY KNEELING???? :knifehead
Jews do have prayers which involve prostration, but not in the Muslim manner.
"There is reference in Maimonedes to the Islamic practice of prostration with the "TUSH" (Bottom) sticking up in the air. Which practice he found disgusting, repugnant, and probably based on vestigial idol worshipping rituals. Specifically to 'Baal Peor' which involved raising the bottom to the idol and doing not-nice-things"
www.jacsweb.org/Library/Stories/kneeling.html



Who am i joking, cek out your christians sister in the church, nuns...ive seen in the newspaper mother terresa with her followers prostrating like muslims...except without hand sprung out.

You are mistaken. Nuns pray by kneeling with their hands clasped. If Mother Theresa DID do something like a prostration, it was a cultural thing of India, not of Christianity.

Try researching on documented historical coverage of the past prophets...starting at the place they preached...the place they like to seek refuge to Allah..and so on. Jews today have changed...just like the Christians today...and might i say...changed a lot dont you think so...or should i say...modernisation...i'd like to think so!

Where is YOUR research? All you have shown so far is vague references to unnamed TV programs and newspapers. You can't prove that Solomon was prostrate from KNEE MARKS! You can't show me a Christian Nun prostrating....
and it doesn't change the fact the Submission article with a diagram purporting to show Jews prostrating similar to Muslims is a doctored fake

Better modernisation then seventh century tribalism

!

[Vajradhara]

Salaam all,


and.. of course... we all know that the term "Christ" is a Greek word, right? which means "Annointed One", yes?

Jesus was not Greek and, in point of fact, wasn't called Jesus.. which is also a Greek word.

[tynita*226]

Hi Tynita
I hope this is clearer,
To be a Christian is to be a follower of Jesus Christ, hence the name Christian. Jesus was brought up in a Jewish family, society etc. So he was Jewish, he went to the synagogue (sp?) read the Torah and so forth. He never called himself a Christian (because then he would be calling himself a follower of Christ) or his disciples Christians. He certainly never called them Muslims either. Jesus Christ was not a Muslim.

In regard to 'Jews used to pray like Muslims do now', this seems to be a myth.
The article from Submission bases this theory on a book called (from memory) 'How does a Jew pray'. However, from a Jewish site who also based their article on the same book we see, that is not true. From this site and another site that copied the Submission article we can see the picture on Submission that purports to a Jew prostrating is a fake...

asalaamu alaikum

Ok so.... if he wasn't a follower of christ then why do Christians call him Jesus Christ?