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    In Matthew 4, Jesus was led into the wilderness by the Holy Spirit. He had been

    without food for forty days when Satan came to Him and said, “If You are the

    Son of God, command that these stones become bread” (Matthew 4:3). In other

    words, “If You are God’s Son, must You go through hardship? You shouldn’t

    have to suffer and be deprived. Just command these stones to be turned into

    bread.”



    But Jesus replied, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by

    every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4). In other

    words, “I have been sent on a mission by My Father, and I am going to fulfill

    it. It doesn’t mean that I will always be comfortable. But I have a word from

    the Father that I am going to finish this journey in victory, and many are

    coming with Me.”



    Many people in our generation have looked for an easy journey and attempted to

    use the power of God to turn every stone into bread—to make every hard place

    easy. But Jesus told His disciples, “What man is there of you, if his son

    asks for bread, will he give him a stone?” In other words, God will give you

    what you need to get you through every difficulty you face. You don’t have to

    figure a way out of your dilemma or try to use the power of God to make all the

    hard places easy.



    Jesus continued, “Or if he ask for a fish, will he give him a serpent?”

    This is an incredible statement, for the Father sent His Son to become a fisher

    of my soul and of yours, and consequently to call us into His work to become

    fishers of men. This was the redemptive purpose of God in the earth, and it

    involved a cross—being rejected, enduring the ridicule and scorn of people

    who were opposing their own salvation. Yet the serpent had come to Jesus in the

    wilderness saying, “Here are all the kingdoms of the world. All You have to do

    is bow before me and acknowledge that God’s ways are not the only ways. Just

    bend Your knee and circumvent the cross—go around the hardship and I will

    give it all to You right now.”



    Now if you ask for a fish, the Father is not going to give you a serpent. You

    may be asking, “Lord, I don’t want to be just a light testimony of who You

    are in my generation. Will You make me a fisher of men just as the early church

    was?” And unlike the serpents who are trying to tempt much of the church of

    this generation to go a different way, God is not going to come to you and say,

    “No, life is meant to be easy. You don’t have to suffer for the cause of

    Christ.” Instead, He will promise to see you through every difficulty that

    may arise as you walk with purpose in this generation, and He will see you

    through to a victorious end.
    Jesus is not valued (at all) unless he is valued above all. Augustine

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    Jesus was led into the wilderness by the Holy Spirit.

    So Jesus was led by himself i.e. Holy Spirit. theya re different entities then?

    Satan kwould know Jesus is God and he tries to tempt God. Is that ever possible/ Satan can only tempt a human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocW View Post
    Jesus was led into the wilderness by the Holy Spirit.

    So Jesus was led by himself i.e. Holy Spirit. theya re different entities then?

    Satan kwould know Jesus is God and he tries to tempt God. Is that ever possible/ Satan can only tempt a human.
    Jesus is not the father or the Holy Spirit. Jesus had flesh and blood. A Spirit doesn't have a body. God is Spirit. God made His word that was spirit into flesh and blood that could be tempted.
    Jesus is not valued (at all) unless he is valued above all. Augustine

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    God is Spirit- Spirit has no body- Jesus is flesh and blood-so you agree Jesus is human and not God

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    Jesus could be tempted by Satan. God could be tempted by Satan. God is creating another God

    Bro! please read back and deliberate what you are writing.

    Are you saying religion does not need logic or reason or rationale. Just blind faith. I admire your courage to defend your stance without any logical basis to provide but base it on "Paul said so".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocW View Post
    Jesus could be tempted by Satan. God could be tempted by Satan. God is creating another God

    Bro! please read back and deliberate what you are writing.

    Are you saying religion does not need logic or reason or rationale. Just blind faith. I admire your courage to defend your stance without any logical basis to provide but base it on "Paul said so".
    Jesus could be tempted but God could not be tempted. Yes, Jesus is the word of God made human. That makes Him not a messenger but the Message. He is the son of God and not God the father. Does that help?
    Jesus is not valued (at all) unless he is valued above all. Augustine

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    By your own admission on the forum NT has man written parts. So who decides what is devine and what is man made. Is tehre a consensus among Christians or different people have different versions of divinity and man amde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocW View Post
    By your own admission on the forum NT has man written parts. So who decides what is devine and what is man made. Is tehre a consensus among Christians or different people have different versions of divinity and man amde.
    Sorry I am not sure I know what your asking here. Maybe you could reword it
    Jesus is not valued (at all) unless he is valued above all. Augustine

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