Keeping To The Sunnah.

[Abu Fauzi]

Salaam, everyone...

The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was reported to have said:--"Let me not find one of you, reclining on his couch, when he hears something regarding what I have commanded or forbidden saying: 'We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book we have followed'. (Abu Dawud)

This is agood reminder against today's casual attitude with which some Muslims, unfortunately, discard the Sunnah of our Prophet, Sallallahu alaihi Wasallam. Allah Subhanau Wa Ta'ala repeatedly links obedience of Allah to obedience of His Messenger. Allah says:-"And whoever obeys the Messenger, thereby obeys Allah"-4:80 and "Whatever the Messenger gives you take it, and whatever he forbids you, refrain from it".(59:7)...there are many Ayats of the Holy Qur'an itself condemning having a 'Qur'an only' approach.

To divorce the Sunnah from Islam is to render Islam ineffective...for example, the Qur'an directs us to pray, but without the Sunnah, how would we know how to pray?....

[ihsan]

Salaam, everyone...

The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was reported to have said:--"Let me not find one of you, reclining on his couch, when he hears something regarding what I have commanded or forbidden saying: 'We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book we have followed'. (Abu Dawud)

ASA,

Can you comment on the authenticity of the above narration?

[Al-Boriqi]

ASA,

Can you comment on the authenticity of the above narration?

it is from what I remember hasan or saheeh from al-Albanee and other hufaadh.

[ihsan]

it is from what I remember hasan or saheeh from al-Albanee and other hufaadh.

ASA,

jazakallah... If you happen to come across what Al-Albanee (R) said regarding the narration, please do post it.

[2bwiser]

The messenger is no longer alive and 57:7 refers to material things.

[Al-Boriqi]

The messenger is no longer alive and 57:7 refers to material things.

2 corrections

1. the technical correction- it is 59:7 not 57:7

2. the tafseer correction- the first part is what is in relation to the material wealth o the fa'i. When Allah added this construct finishing off the ayaah, its application was general to all of his rulings and guidance of doing nor not doing certain actions. Hence the more accurate meaning of this phrasal clause in the ayaah is pertaining to his Sunnah, and not simply to the war booty.

asalamu alaykum

[2bwiser]

Salam,

Thank you for the technical correction. Praying and prostrating existed long before sunnah attributed to the prophet. Abraham was praying and prostrating long before the messenger.
If we go back to verse 59.7, in Arabic, the verb "ma 2ataKUM" clearly refers to those physically in the presence of the messenger and thus materials mentioned in the first part of this same verse.
Furthermore, the messenger was even not supposed to teach the Quran, if you refer to chapter 55 verse 2, GOD is the teacher of the Quran so if we believe that there is no contradictions in the Quran per chapter 4 verse 82, the tafseer has no basis even when it is conventionally accepted from the moment it contradicts the Quranic verses! The messenger's duty was to remind and warn with the Quran and this is stated in several verses through out the Quran. The only sunnah mentioned in the Quran is sunnah of GOD (sunnattu Allah). Please reflect on verses 39:23 to 36 and in particular verses 39:27-28 and ask GOD to teach you.
GOD is not short of words and it is truly not befitting to GOD to add other sources to HIS complete revelation HE called Quran and an Arabic Quran with its verses completely detailed (fussilatt ayatuhu). There is a difference between unseen details and fabricated details that GOD calls lies. I am amazed that the majority of Muslims do not know their own scripture and continue to embrace a sunnah falsely attributed to a messenger but contradicts the very revelation of GOD HIMSELF.

Having said that, it is GOD who guides per HIS own scripture.
Peace.

[Al-Boriqi]

Salam,

Thank you for the technical correction. Praying and prostrating existed long before sunnah attributed to the prophet. Abraham was praying and prostrating long before the messenger.
If we go back to verse 59.7, in Arabic, the verb "ma 2ataKUM" clearly refers to those physically in the presence of the messenger and thus materials mentioned in the first part of this same verse.

dear readers, this is a first hand account of the malfunctioning ideology that is hadeeth rejectionism and Sunnah rejectionism.

case in point
2bwiser claims

Furthermore, the messenger was even not supposed to teach the Quran,

Allah claims

With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you the reminder and the advice (the Qur'an), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought. [16:44]

The prophet not only taught the Qur'an (i.e. the words of it to other people), but he even had the audacity to "explain it" (which Allah ordered him to do by the way as is clearly made evident in the ayaa)

the rest of the post is typical of sunnah rejectionist convolution of Qur'anic facts. The main premise of this ideology is that concepts not in accord with their own understanding is considered "anti-Qur'anic" or as they say "contradicts the Qur'an", when it simply contradicts their corrupted understanding of the Qur'an.

[2bwiser]

Salam,

I see that the arabic verses of the Quran are challenging to you :-) please let me remind you we are discussing GOD's verses not my verses and please do not worry about the readers, GOD is the ONE who guides, not you, me. or the prophet. Quran constantly reminds us to look out for our own soul. Obviously you work with translations that were done by authors sympathetic to propagating misinformation to control the heedless masses.
Also, the verse 16:44 you quoted states "li tubayena" that you translated as "you may explain clearly ", since when does "bayena" mean "explain" or "teaching"? Obviously you do not know the difference between to show/convey and to teach/explain. Please read and reflect on the Quranic verses and in particular 5:99 in which you can read "ma 3ala al rassul illa al balagh", "ma 3ala" (and only on) leaves no confusion whatsoever of what the duty of the messenger was, and no contradictions with any arabic verses of the Quran. Your reply shows that the territory of truth is so slippery to you that the only thing you found to counter my statement is your "rejectionist" language. Anyway, GOD warned us about people like you in verses 39:45, 34:44, and 68:37-38.

Peace.

[shaad_lko]

but even if 16:44 referred to the Messenger showing/conveying (instead of explaining/teaching), it does necessitate that the religion is incomplete without his example. Moreover, hermeneutics can be stretched to mean a lot of things, so our understanding of scripture has to reference back in some way or the other to the Prophetic example - a case in point is the practice of Salah itself, which not too long ago was termed by a particular group as referring to setting up the divine system of just governance.

[ihsan]

Quran constantly reminds us to look out for our own soul. Obviously you work with translations that were done by authors sympathetic to propagating misinformation to control the heedless masses.

This is a fallacious example of logic. Please establish how these authors were sympathetic to propagating misinfiormation to try and control heedless masses, based upon a 'poor' translation? You do realize they could simply have been trying to translate the Quran as best as they can?

Also, the verse 16:44 you quoted states "li tubayena" that you translated as "you may explain clearly ", since when does "bayena" mean "explain" or "teaching"? Obviously you do not know the difference between to show/convey and to teach/explain. Please read and reflect on the Quranic verses and in particular 5:99 in which you can read "ma 3ala al rassul illa al balagh", "ma 3ala" (and only on) leaves no confusion whatsoever of what the duty of the messenger was, and no contradictions with any arabic verses of the Quran. Your reply shows that the territory of truth is so slippery to you that the only thing you found to counter my statement is your "rejectionist" language. Anyway, GOD warned us about people like you in verses 39:45, 34:44, and 68:37-38.

While I am not disputing your translation, that the means by which the Prophet (S) explains the truth clearly to them through the Quran, which even certain 'orthodox' scholars maintain can be interpreted as such, you fail to realize certain points:

1. The Prophet himself is the active agent in this verse, while mankind is the recipient of this teaching.
2. 5:99 doesn't reject that the message of God can lie outside of the Quran, it means that the Prophet is cast with the duty of preaching the message, and he is not tasked with making people believe or not believe in the message. It is not rejecting teachings of the Prophet outside of the Quran.

And just as an aside, the term 'bayyinah' adds emphasis of clarity and absoluteness. The verse is not simply about 'teaching' people the religion of God, it is about presenting in such a way that truth is very clear and that men have no excuses to deny it. It is not like a man-made teaching, which is subject to the opinions of men, meaning falsehood can enter in these opinions, or has weakness in presenting the truth. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether sunnah is rejected or not.

[ihsan]

Salam,

Thank you for the technical correction. Praying and prostrating existed long before sunnah attributed to the prophet. Abraham was praying and prostrating long before the messenger.

Which would necessitate that praying and prostrating were not revealed by the Quran...

[Al-Boriqi]

but even if 16:44 referred to the Messenger showing/conveying (instead of explaining/teaching), it does necessitate that the religion is incomplete without his example. Moreover, hermeneutics can be stretched to mean a lot of things, so our understanding of scripture has to reference back in some way or the other to the Prophetic example - a case in point is the practice of Salah itself, which not too long ago was termed by a particular group as referring to setting up the divine system of just governance.

yes, that is a bit of a stretch, but even in this, he is wrong as will be explained bi idhnillah

Salam,

I see that the arabic verses of the Quran are challenging to you :-)

hadeeth rejectionists see many things that don't really coincide with reality.

please let me remind you we are discussing GOD's verses not my verses

of course, that is why im not going to argue with you over your tahreef of it.

and please do not worry about the readers, GOD is the ONE who guides, not you, me.

I implore towards the audience as a means to make clear the matter and to state for the record, and not for "guiding".

or the prophet. Quran constantly reminds us to look out for our own soul.

understood

Obviously you work with translations that were done by authors sympathetic to propagating misinformation to control the heedless masses.

No, I work with translations to facilitate ease of translatory efforts and because it is most convenient. Personally, I am of the opinion like many Arab speakers that Arabic text cannot be translated, it can only be explained. Every time I have tried to offer a translation, due to the divergent paradigm from the English, I find myself having to explain the intent of the author through the dhaahir of their words in context of the issue being discussed.

Furthermore, I utilized this translation because this particular one is factoring in the basic and apparent tafseer as exemplified by the aimah on any given ayaah and is not simply a word for word explanation.

Also, the verse 16:44 you quoted states "li tubayena" that you translated as "you may explain clearly ", since when does "bayena" mean "explain" or "teaching"?

Sicne the Arabs made it like this as reported under Ba Ya Nun by Ibn Mandhoor in Lisaanul-Arab which starts off with
( بين ) البَيْنُ في كلام العرب جاء على وجْهَين يكون البَينُ الفُرْقةَ ويكون الوَصْلَ بانَ يَبِينُ بَيْناً وبَيْنُونةً وهو من الأَضداد وشاهدُ البَين الوَصل قول الشاعر

and then he goes into a long overview of it.

Shanqeeti, being a far greater master linguist than yourself commented in his lughawi tafseer "Adhwaaul-Bayaan"

إحداهما - أن يبين للناس ما نزل إليهم في هذا الكتاب من الأوامر والناهي ، والوعد والوعيد ، ونحو ذلك . وقد بين هذه الحكمة في غير هذا الموضع أيضاً . كقوله : { وَمَآ أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الكتاب إِلاَّ لِتُبَيِّنَ لَهُمُ الذي اختلفوا فِيهِ } [ النحل : 64 ] ، وقوله : { إِنَّآ أَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الكتاب بالحق لِتَحْكُمَ بَيْنَ الناس } [ النساء : 105 ] الآية .

Shanqeeti here clearl explains that the type of "conveyance" or "showing" to man what has come in by way of the Book is from the commands and prohibitions. That is why in usoolul-Fiqh, the term described as "ash-Shaari" which is in truth referedd to as Allah, the tahdeed istilaahi (technical definition) is that it encompasses the Messenger alayhi salatu salam which is why what he says is given EQUAL weight in authority, not power or baraka, with Allah, again, in terms of authoritativeness.
So he continues in saying that the wisdom in this position is expressed in other places and then brings another aayah to further confirm which is the ayaahwhich states
وَمَا أَنزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ إِلَّا لِتُبَيِّنَ لَهُمُ الَّذِي اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ ۙ
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #64)

And We have not sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), except that you may explain clearly unto them those things in which they differ

Obviously you do not know the difference between to show/convey and to teach/explain.

I know the difference. Im just not a literalist. here is why. The meaning here of tubayyina is "bayaan" and this is understood when contrasting it with the rest of the aayah.

Furthermore, the purpose of "showing" in relation to "deen" is pragmatic guidance. For had it only been merely to simply "show", then this is basically accusing Allah of revealing an irrelevancy here because the Qur'an already does that in a general way.

Please read and reflect on the Quranic verses and in particular 5:99 in which you can read "ma 3ala al rassul illa al balagh", "ma 3ala" (and only on) leaves no confusion whatsoever of what the duty of the messenger was, and no contradictions with any arabic verses of the Quran.

I already know that alon with the ayaat like "inama alaykal-balaagh, wa 'alaynal-hisaab". Your convoluting two very divergent matters. Yes, the Messenger's summarized duty in a nutshell was "to convey". The takyeef of that conveynance is through the Sunnah. Here, the takhsees is specifying the general and this is where hadeeth rejectionist fail miserably to understand and comply with the intent of the revelation.

Your reply shows that the territory of truth is so slippery to you that the only thing you found to counter my statement is your "rejectionist" language. Anyway, GOD warned us about people like you in verses 39:45, 34:44, and 68:37-38.

our methodology is one whereby concern and weight is given to realities. The very substance of your advocacy here, regardless of the intent of its author, is the methodology of hadeeth rejectionism. Our method is that we call a spade a spade

Secondly, the reason why you have linked me to the mushrikeen as in 39:45 is because you have a decrepit understanding of tawheed. Under this warped concept of tawheed, the very companions who transmitted the Qur'an to us are the greatest mushriks of all wa iyaadhubillah for their servitude to the Messenger and his Sunnah as the criterion to understand the words of Allah ipso facto match them to this very ayaah if understood under this false corrupted understanding of the aayah.

[Sohail123]

Assalam o Allikum
Very nice and informative post dear. Thanks for sharing such nice and informative post with us via this beautiful islamic forum. yea as a Muslims we do not follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of our beloved prophet Muhammad (S.A.W).