Was hell created by God or Devil?

[StopS]

Is it the God and the Devil?
Is it God and the Devil?
Is it God and Devil?

I have no idea what the politically correct usage is. Please advise what the preferable usage is.

Everybody knows and understands the concept of reward and punishment.
Everybody knows the detailed descriptions of heaven and hell in the Koran.
Everybody knows that all the levels of the different heavens were created by God.

But I cannot find a reliable source for the creation of hell. Was it God or Devil?
Is the creator of the concept also the creator of the institution?
Does hell also have levels?

Thanks for your help.

[jude3]

Your answer may or may not come by following this and other threads for years on end, as you work through the maze of opinion and so-called human intellect/logic. I wish you well.

[shaad_lko]

Hell is the natural consequence for one who leads an arrogant and rebellious life. Just like we dont attribute our evil actions to Allah (but do attribute our good to Him), so too Hell is not spoken of as created by God - this is the Quranic style which befits the majesty of God. Also, one should remember that the verses about Heaven and Hell are primarily allegorical - they are meant as signs for us to reflect on and change our behaviour...

Btw, the devil is a generic term used in Arabic (satan) which could even refer to humans who are wicked. Iblis is the proper name of the devil who allured Adam and Eve in the Garden, and per some commentators including Islahi, he too died a natural death. It is his progeny and people with similar traits who misguide the general human race.

[StopS]

Your answer may or may not come by following this and other threads for years on end, as you work through the maze of opinion and so-called human intellect/logic. I wish you well.

What was it again that dies last .....

[StopS]

Hell is the natural consequence for one who leads an arrogant and rebellious life.

All it takes is rejecting the god described in the Koran. Whether you lead a good life or not is pretty irrelevant.

Just like we dont attribute our evil actions to Allah (but do attribute our good to Him), so too Hell is not spoken of as created by God - this is the Quranic style which befits the majesty of God. Also, one should remember that the verses about Heaven and Hell are primarily allegorical - they are meant as signs for us to reflect on and change our behaviour...

Btw, the devil is a generic term used in Arabic (satan) which could even refer to humans who are wicked. Iblis is the proper name of the devil who allured Adam and Eve in the Garden, and per some commentators including Islahi, he too died a natural death. It is his progeny and people with similar traits who misguide the general human race.

If punishment is allegorical, it does not deter, does it? So it must be very real.

But even if it is just a 3D model, who created hell. Was it God or Devil?
Is the creator of the concept also the creator of the institution with all its different and diverse forms of punishment?
Does hell also have levels?

[shaad_lko]

All it takes is rejecting the god described in the Koran. Whether you lead a good life or not is pretty irrelevant.

that is your understanding. Others have somewhat more evolved positions - I was mistaken in that I thought you had a genuine inquiry here..

If punishment is allegorical, it does not deter, does it? So it must be very real.

i didnt say the punishment is allegorical - its description is, probably because of human incapability to grasp reality of a different order.

[Al-Boriqi]

Is it the God and the Devil?
Is it God and the Devil?
Is it God and Devil?

I have no idea what the politically correct usage is. Please advise what the preferable usage is.

Everybody knows and understands the concept of reward and punishment.
Everybody knows the detailed descriptions of heaven and hell in the Koran.
Everybody knows that all the levels of the different heavens were created by God.

But I cannot find a reliable source for the creation of hell. Was it God or Devil?
Is the creator of the concept also the creator of the institution?
Does hell also have levels?

Thanks for your help.

God is the Creator of all thing, including hellfire. The Paradise is the abode of those whom He blessed with His Mercy and hellfire is the abode of those who truly deserve its torment.

All it takes is rejecting the god described in the Koran. Whether you lead a good life or not is pretty irrelevant.

Rejection of God (i.e. rejecting the God "of the Koran") is ipso facto the ingredient for a lack of an ethical life.

What many people get confused, including Muslims, is that righteousness and good is NOT defined by the mere performance of good actions. The clear criterion that becomes the litmus test for defining righteousness is the abandonment of wrong, evil, corrupt actions or vices. So being kind to people and doing good things for others is NOT the basis for moral ethics, rather what is of greater status is preventing harm to them or protecting them from something or even giving them information so as to allow them to react more forcefully or accurately towards a [problem that they will face that they have not seen until you ifnormed them of it.

Likewise, if does not do any real good to performe some praiseworthy actions while being promiscuous or simply believing that you have the right to do so outside of the institution of marraige.

regards

[Al-Boriqi]

that is your understanding. Others have somewhat more evolved positions - I was mistaken in that I thought you had a genuine inquiry here..

you will come to find that 98 percent of everything that pops up in discussion forms remains exclusive to this form of inquiries.

ramadan mubarak
asalamu alaykum

[backspace]

God is the Creator of all thing

I'll let StopS respond to your post if he's not banned, but doesn't the Koran say Satan created wine?

[Shafique]

backspace, I wondered whether you'd contribute to this thread.

Can you clarify whether you've changed your opinion that the Bible does not teach that Hindus (for exmaple) go to Hell - and that the Quran has more horrific descriptions of hell than the Bible. Jude has said on this forum that Christianity does teach that Hindus will go to hell for not accepting Christ.

Which of you is right?

(Oh, on wine - we've discussed this particular confusion of yours when you alleged there was a contradiction in the Quran on the metaphors used to describe heaven in the Quran and alcohol on earth.)

Cheers,
Shafique

[StopS]

God is the Creator of all thing

I'll let StopS respond to your post if he's not banned

Am I such a bad boy?

[StopS]

God is the Creator of all thing, including hellfire. The Paradise is the abode of those whom He blessed with His Mercy and hellfire is the abode of those who truly deserve its torment.

Thank you for the clarification.

Rejection of God (i.e. rejecting the God "of the Koran") is ipso facto the ingredient for a lack of an ethical life.

I have a small issue with this as it is logically impossible to "reject" what has not been positively demonstrated.

What many people get confused, including Muslims, is that righteousness and good is NOT defined by the mere performance of good actions. The clear criterion that becomes the litmus test for defining righteousness is the abandonment of wrong, evil, corrupt actions or vices. So being kind to people and doing good things for others is NOT the basis for moral ethics, rather what is of greater status is preventing harm to them or protecting them from something or even giving them information so as to allow them to react more forcefully or accurately towards a [problem that they will face that they have not seen until you ifnormed them of it.

Likewise, if does not do any real good to performe some praiseworthy actions while being promiscuous or simply believing that you have the right to do so outside of the institution of marraige.

regards

Yes, you express this so much better than I do.

[shaad_lko]

ramadan mubarak
asalamu alaykum

Waleykumussalam wrwb and Ramadan mubarak.

[Al-Boriqi]

I have a small issue with this as it is logically impossible to "reject" what has not been positively demonstrated.

well, it is quite simple. Were you created from nothing or where you yourself the Creator. The moment this formula is solved will be the moment by which you will understand the nature of your issue.

regards

[StopS]

well, it is quite simple. Were you created from nothing or where you yourself the Creator. The moment this formula is solved will be the moment by which you will understand the nature of your issue.

regards

Wrong person or wrong question or wrong reply.

I clarified a mistake you made. Or, if you prefer, a logical error. I did not ask a question. It implies presence. Example: you can't reject the existence of Bigfoot. Bigfoot has never been positively proven to physically exist.

re•ject*rɪˈdʒɛkt; ˈri dʒɛkt(v.; n.; v.t.)

to refuse to have, take, use, recognize, etc.:

to reject a job offer.

to refuse to grant (a request, demand, etc.); deny.

to refuse to accept or admit; rebuff:

The other children rejected him.

to discard as useless or unsatisfactory.

to eject; vomit.

to cast out or off.

Are you asking me a question? "Were you created from nothing or where you yourself the Creator" If this is supposed to be a question, then it is nonsensical. How high is red?
I was not created, but conceived. By 2 cells (gametes) fusing. It's called fertilisation and can be demonstrated, observed, described, measured and proven. It is not a formula, but a natural event.

Now, if you could kindly focus on my initial question regarding hell, I would appreciate that. Why don't you, if you wish to discuss creation instead, open a thread and I will be more than happy to explain it to you in any detail you desire.