Who is the father of Jesus, if he is not the son of God or Joseph ?

[truth_is_reason]

Islam admits Mary was the virgin mother of Jesus.

Islam admits that Jesus was not born of Joseph for Mary was a virgin.

Islam admits that it was the miraculous spirit of God that conceived Jesus in her womb.

So Jesus is not the son of Joseph.

Jesus is the Son of God.

If he is not the son of God, who's son is he.

If you declare he has no father you declare the Messiah is a bastard??

[Moonlight]

Emanuel also has no father... Jesus is the son of Mary as the bible has pointed out. Emanuel would also be the son of who ever his mother was. >_>

As for the son of God blah blah here's something you missed

David is the begotten Son of God (Psalms 2:7) Jacob is God's firstborn son (Exodus 4:22) Ephraim is God's firstborn son (Jeremiah 31:9) Adam is the son of God (Luke 3:38) All the people who are righteous are sons of God. (Mathew 5:9) (Deuteronomy 14:1) For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God (Romans 8:14)

son of God = human prophets...

Hebrews 1:5-7 points out that no angel are called son of God and questions to whom has God ever say "you are my son today I have begotten you?" and as I have shown you, only humans are called "son of God"

this is why the Jews reject Jesus because he is (as you pointed out) a bastard. So to them he failed to be there Messiah.

The Quran states that the virgin birth was pose to be a sign for the people.

[Maryy]

You know, God created you as well. God created everyone, he created Jesus too, but Jesus was created without a father. That was a miracle of God, Mary was a virgin, Jesus was a blessing to the people of that time. So because technically God created everyone, he created our souls and made our life a destiny, we are all God's creation, a bit like his 'children'. But God does begot, he has the power to make it possible in humans.

So the origin of our creation is God. If we had a father and a mother but no God, then their would be no children. In this way, God gave Mary the essence of 'man' to make her pregnant, essentially he gave her sperm, but God is elite and is not like humans so Jesus is not his 'son'.

[Al-Boriqi]

Islam admits Mary was the virgin mother of Jesus.

Islam admits that Jesus was not born of Joseph for Mary was a virgin.

Islam admits that it was the miraculous spirit of God that conceived Jesus in her womb.

So Jesus is not the son of Joseph.

Jesus is the Son of God.

If he is not the son of God, who's son is he.

If you declare he has no father you declare the Messiah is a bastard??

Allah says in the Qur'an
"Truly, the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, 'Be,' and he was"

they are alike in the sense that they were created without a father. So two deductions are brought forth here.

1. if it is said that the Islamic argument warrants Jesus to be a bastard, then the same can also be applied to Adam who likewise had no father, and no mother for that matter. However, the idea of bastardization is refuted for both of them because the basis of ALL creation that takes place is based on Allah's allowance of the thing to be created by saying "be" and in light of that verdict, it becomes.

However, the basis of revealing this verse was in refutation of the pagan argument formalized by the Christians who maintained that due to this miracle, it sanctions the idea that he is the son of God, completely dismissing that this phrasal was actually a common idiomatic usage among the hebrew and semetic language as a form of figurative speech. Part of the misguidance of the newly formed Christian nation in trying to understand the scriptural texts was that they were reading semetic scripture within a greek lense, thereby crippling their understanding of the texts.

Nevertheless, the second deduction that is commonly made is
2. that because of this, Jesus is the son of God, thus Allah revealed this verse as a refutation of this concept that they invented which legalized a form of idolatry. In light fo this predominant ideology, the quotes below are enough supplemental information

Ibn Kathir says in his commentary of the Qur'an...

Therefore, He Who created Adam without a father or a mother is able to create `Isa (Jesus), as well, without a father. If the claim is made that `Isa is Allah's son because he was created without a father, then the same claim befits Adam even more. However, since such a claim regarding Adam is obviously false, then making the same claim about `Isa is even more false. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir)


Al Suyuti says in his commentary...

Truly, the likeness of Jesus, his remarkable case, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness, as the case of Adam, whom God created without father or mother: this is a comparison of one remarkable thing with another more remarkable, so that it convinces the disputer and establishes itself in one's mind more effectively. He created him, Adam, that is, his form, of dust, then said He to him, 'Be,', a human being, and he was; similarly, He said to Jesus, 'Be' - without a father - and he was. (Jalal ud-Din Siyuti, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Commentary on Surah 3:59)

regards

[DocW]

In my humble opinion we need to look at the bigger picture and not just the virgin birth. Adam had no father or mother. Noah was saved from the flood that destroyed everything else, in his Ark. Moses split the sea and he and his followers walked through it. Moses and his followers were fed with Manna and quails and thus provided nourishment in a desert. Abraham was given a child when he and his wife were in their 90's. Zachariyah was given a son when he was old. These are all supernatural miracles. Why do we become transfixed on one miracle and make it appear as if this was the only miracle that God performed.

[truth_is_reason]

Allah says in the Qur'an
"Truly, the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, 'Be,' and he was"

they are alike in the sense that they were created without a father. So two deductions are brought forth here.

1. if it is said that the Islamic argument warrants Jesus to be a bastard, then the same can also be applied to Adam who likewise had no father, and no mother for that matter. However, the idea of bastardization is refuted for both of them because the basis of ALL creation that takes place is based on Allah's allowance of the thing to be created by saying "be" and in light of that verdict, it becomes.

However, the basis of revealing this verse was in refutation of the pagan argument formalized by the Christians who maintained that due to this miracle, it sanctions the idea that he is the son of God, completely dismissing that this phrasal was actually a common idiomatic usage among the hebrew and semetic language as a form of figurative speech. Part of the misguidance of the newly formed Christian nation in trying to understand the scriptural texts was that they were reading semetic scripture within a greek lense, thereby crippling their understanding of the texts.

Nevertheless, the second deduction that is commonly made is
2. that because of this, Jesus is the son of God, thus Allah revealed this verse as a refutation of this concept that they invented which legalized a form of idolatry. In light fo this predominant ideology, the quotes below are enough supplemental information

Ibn Kathir says in his commentary of the Qur'an...

Therefore, He Who created Adam without a father or a mother is able to create `Isa (Jesus), as well, without a father. If the claim is made that `Isa is Allah's son because he was created without a father, then the same claim befits Adam even more. However, since such a claim regarding Adam is obviously false, then making the same claim about `Isa is even more false. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir)


Al Suyuti says in his commentary...

Truly, the likeness of Jesus, his remarkable case, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness, as the case of Adam, whom God created without father or mother: this is a comparison of one remarkable thing with another more remarkable, so that it convinces the disputer and establishes itself in one's mind more effectively. He created him, Adam, that is, his form, of dust, then said He to him, 'Be,', a human being, and he was; similarly, He said to Jesus, 'Be' - without a father - and he was. (Jalal ud-Din Siyuti, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Commentary on Surah 3:59)

regards

1 Corinthians 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.

So yes, you are 100% right in saying that Adam to is the son of God but it does not say he is the only BEGOTTEN son of God.

Jesus is the complete incarnation of God's character

Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

So clearly Jesus is a Son of Gods spirit, Adam is a Son of God's creation from the dust and all other men our sons of Adam. Jesus is unique and he is Emanuel (God with us).

John 14:1-8 "Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going." Thomas said to him, "Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him." Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us. Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father‘?"

[Moonlight]

Emanuel has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus is simular Emanuel because of the virgin birth, but they are not the same person. Matthew took alot of verses out of context when he tryed to create false fulfiled prophecys for Jesus.

You also quoted Paul who is a false prophet (which Jesus has warned us about) if you like I can prove it for you?

You can't take the gospels has facts because it's written by a third person who is a historian. Luke himself said he joined in and Put together of what he has heard and then write it down.
Luke made some errors with his sources. For sample Jesus is pose to be in the bloodline of david - Solomon. But luke put him with David - Nathan (who is David's third son)

[truth_is_reason]

Emanuel has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus is simular Emanuel because of the virgin birth, but they are not the same person. Matthew took alot of verses out of context when he tryed to create false fulfiled prophecys for Jesus.

You also quoted Paul who is a false prophet (which Jesus has warned us about) if you like I can prove it for you?

You can't take the gospels has facts because it's written by a third person who is a historian. Luke himself said he joined in and Put together of what he has heard and then write it down.
Luke made some errors with his sources. For sample Jesus is pose to be in the bloodline of david - Solomon. But luke put him with David - Nathan (who is David's third son)

Say you are right and Christians somehow managed to twist scripture 100's of years older than your own written by many different authors and your Muhammad is the last reliable source. (Crazy, but lets entertain it for a second).

How do you explain the old testament scriptures. These are 2 of 100's of prophecies clearly showing that Jesus is Emanuel:

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Micah 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

[Hannahh]

Who is God then?

Where does he live?

Why does he need a son? Wasn't he himself good enough?

Did he have sex with someone in order to create a son? Sons? Daughters too?

I am so so sorry to relate this but whenever I hear someone like you going on like this, I am more proud than ever that Allah chose me to get out of ignorance. I am so grateful and can never iterate enough gratitude to the Creator for giving me my knowledge.

[shaad_lko]

Islam admits Mary was the virgin mother of Jesus.

Islam admits that Jesus was not born of Joseph for Mary was a virgin.

Islam admits that it was the miraculous spirit of God that conceived Jesus in her womb.

So Jesus is not the son of Joseph.

Jesus is the Son of God.

If he is not the son of God, who's son is he.

If you declare he has no father you declare the Messiah is a bastard??

When we say he is born from a virgin, then how can he be a bastard ? Latter is one who is born out of illegitimate (extra/pre-marital) intercourse - you need to get your definitions right.