Understanding Abrogation

[shaad_lko]

Your commentator doesn't attempt to mention that the verb in V4:15 is lewdness - not fornication.

It's one thing to argue that lewdness really means fornication after first acknowledging the word is lewdness and then providing a coherent explanation for why lewdness means fornication, but the author does not engage this fact at all.

Anyway, other verses, as I've pointed out, give a punishment for lewdness that is not compatible with what V4:15 prescribes.

phrases employed in Quranic arabic often represent different conceptual terms from what they normally mean - that is why a literal translation will get you nowhere. Thus, Umar (rta) advised the Arabs to preserve their poetry to remain on the straight path, since (in his words) it contains the exegesis of the Book.

Your other verses have been discussed in detail in the other thread - sorry if it still cant remove your confusion..

[Just a Muslim]

Salam. I'd just like to ask some questions about a concept that kind of confuses me.

1. a) Does it only refer to laws mentioned in the Qur'an? i.e. Law A is revealed then, after some time, due to a certain context, Law B is revealed and abrogates Law A.
1. b) Does that make Law A irrelevant and no longer applicable?

2. a) Does it apply to any two, or more, verses that seem contradictory?
2. b) For example, many non-Muslims like to say the good verses are abrogated by the "bad" ones. Is this true? Are verses, with so much meaning, like "no compulsion in religion" (2:256) abrogated? I think Ibn Kathir seems to think 2:256 is abrogated.

3) If a verse is abrogated, does that mean it's simply no longer part of Islam?
4) Is abrogation a poor choice of wording? It seems to imply that the abrogated verse no longer serves any purpose. Wouldn't substituted be better, meaning that the "abrogated" verse still has some meaning?

Thanks, in advance.

Bismillaah

All what needed to be abrogated has been done and fulfilled

In the current Qur'aan that we have, there are no abrogated ayaat in it, each and every ayaah is applicable because Allaah Ta'ala either replaced it with another ayah or He has made what needed to be abrogated to be forgotten

[shaad_lko]

In the current Qur'aan that we have, there are no abrogated ayaat in it, each and every ayaah is applicable because Allaah Ta'ala either replaced it with another ayah or He has made what needed to be abrogated to be forgotten

what do you mean by forgotten verses?

[Free Your Mind]

"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
- al Baqara

[johan]

what do you mean by forgotten verses?

"We do not abrogate a aya(verse) or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
- al Baqara

The context for the usage of the term aya in here shouldn't be restricted to scriptural verses.
As this verse demonstrates:

[20:22] Sahih International
And draw in your hand to your side; it will come out white without disease - another aya(sign),

IMHO aya in this verse is more appropriate to be translated as phenomenon/sign/Allah's ordinance ..
This will lead us to logical choices that will not contradict other verses in the Quran..
Phenomenons such as change of Qiblat..
Changes in ordinance such as marital, fasting etc..

As for the forgotten part, the true sunnah of Rasulullah can be considered as forgotten phenomenon..
since we do not know for sure which are genuine and which are fake..
One thing interesting in the modern age is the is the current scientific methodologies phenomenon that could replace the sunnah that is forgotten to arrive at a guided knowledge..

Wallahua3lam