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    "fadl" in the context of the verse cited is that they were given/granted certain things. In relation to revelation and the mission of prophets and messengers all had different things to deal with while some others had a bigger role in their circumstances. As Ihsan pointed out the following verse mentions that Moses (pbuh) was spoken to as his support to his mission. Jesus (pbuh) had his miracles and reinforced with the holy spirit for to fulfill his objective. Clearly, there is no issue of superiority. That seems to be from that insatiable human appetite to not only be right but to feel like they have/belong to what is best. We are clearly warned not to be like others who have taken their priests and prophets and exalted them beyond what is spiritually appropriate.

    Al Ma'idah 44 says nothing about deputy-ship.

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    The word "Nofaruq" means we do not reject some messengers while believing in others
    qatala means he killed


    QATTALA means massacre

    did God use FORM 2 of mudaari3 just to convey "means we do not reject some messengers while believing in others" ?

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    Form II of verb could also have slightly different meaning Form I of a verb in addition to adding intensity and repetitive nature of action to the verb. Farraqa means separating things by creating a great distance among them or completely disuniting them. So in that particular Aya it is emphasized that all Prophets brought the same message over and over again, this can also be verified by reading the Quran. I think we should restrict ourselves to understanding what was that core message if we want to benefit.
    Quote Originally Posted by theman09 View Post
    qatala means he killed


    QATTALA means massacre

    did God use FORM 2 of mudaari3 just to convey "means we do not reject some messengers while believing in others" ?

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    If one were to say that muhammad (p) is greater than moses (p) then the believers are making a farq between them and they become mutafariqoon


    f2 can also have conative meaning

    conative is defined as


    used to indicate the effort of the agent in performing the activity described by the verb

    intensive

    needing or using great energy or effort

    Farraqa means separating things by creating a great distance among them or completely disuniting them
    so farraqa can easily be plugged in in the above two definitions.

    there are muslims who use great effort to prove how muhammad (p) is greater than all prophets .
    Last edited by theman09; 28th August 2012 at 14:34.

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    Assalam O Allikum
    Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quraan in Surat Surat Al-Mā'idah in verse number 5:1 ....
    O you who have believed, fulfill [all] contracts. Lawful for you are the animals of grazing livestock except for that which is recited to you [in this Qur'an] - hunting not being permitted while you are in the state of ihram. Indeed, Allah ordains what He intends.

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    The Holy Qur'aan Chapter 5 , Revealed In The Year 627 - 629 A.D. Maaidah ( The Table Of Food , Says ;

    Verses 44 - Speaking about ~ The Torah , Injiyl is sent down by The Heavenly Host as a light and Judgement .


    The Holy Qur'aan Chapter 34 , Revealed In The Year 614 A.D. Saba ( Sheba ) Says
    Verses . 22 - 29 , Speaking about ~ Your Sources don't possess the weight of an Atom , In the Skies ~ No intercession will avail , Except to those whom were given permission ~ Allah will gather and use wisdom between each other ~ Muhammad sent to a full amount of Enosites .

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaad_lko View Post
    waleykumussalam,
    No Prophet is a deputy of any other Prophet - all are to be equally honoured and considered by Muslims.
    The truth is no prophet is a deputy over any believer prophet or not. The prophet is subject to God's message as much as the believers who hear him. If the believers accept a message from God through the prophet, they too get a prophet's reward. In fact, the believers are to try the prophets to make sure they are really sent from God. False prophets are common; we the believers must judge that. God will not excuse us for accepting a prophet we thought He sent but didn't. Satan can appear as an angle of light, and it is no wonder that their are false prophets that appear to be righteous but are wolves in sheep clothing.
    Jesus is not valued (at all) unless he is valued above all. Augustine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Fauzi View Post
    Assalam alaikum,

    In verse 44 of Surat Ma'eda of the Holy Qur'an (5:44), Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says:---

    ''WE SENT DOWN THE TORAH, WHEREIN IS LIGHT AND GUIDANCE; THEREBY THE PROPHETS,
    THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS, JUDGE FOR THOSE WHO ARE JEWS''.
    Muslims are told to judge for those who are Jews not Christians, and the Christians are told to judge what is written in the scriptures that were sent before. Therefore, we can tell Muslims what the torah and gospel says and bring them the light and guidance Allah intends.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iysay View Post
    The Holy Qur'aan Chapter 5 , Revealed In The Year 627 - 629 A.D. Maaidah ( The Table Of Food , Says ;

    Verses 44 - Speaking about ~ The Torah , Injiyl is sent down by The Heavenly Host as a light and Judgement .
    Why do Muslims say what Allah sent down is corrupted? Allah didn't say that nor did Muhammad. Muslims who say that are making poor inferences from the Scriptures that Allah said he sent down for guidance and light. Why do Muslims say Allah's guidance and light is corrupted?????
    Jesus is not valued (at all) unless he is valued above all. Augustine

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    Subhan Allah

    Jazak Allah

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    Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

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