I think (2) isn't what they mean by a "rational soul", plus, that's just hormones and stuff that make you emotional.1. The spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
2. A person's moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.
And I don't see what the use of (1) is at all. I think Ibn Sina and all those other guys are talking about this one though, not about (2).
And...errrrrr.......sorry, what do you mean? Do you mean you disagree with these guys when they say:
Some, like al-Farabi, believed that the rational soul may or may not survive eternally; others, like Ibn Sina, believed that it has no beginning and no end; still others, such as Ibn Rushd, believed that the soul with all its individual parts comes into existence and is eventually destroyed.
The more I read up on the soul, the more I think that philosophers don't have a clue what they're talking about. It sounds like random words just strung together. Like, read this:
I mean, what the heck?!?!When Muslim philosophers assert that the soul comes into existence simultaneously with the coming into existence of the body, some, such as Ibn Sina (§6), who believe that the rational soul is in essence non*material, are thinking only of the non-rational soul. Others, such as Ibn Rushd (§3), who believe that the rational soul is originally not separate from matter, contend that the whole human soul comes into existence. The latter believe that since the rational soul grasps the universals from particular sensibles, and since such sensibles are material and have a temporal beginning, this soul must also be material and must have a temporal beginning. Those who attribute non-materiality to the essence of the rational soul, such as AL-KINDI and Ibn Sina, assert that this soul pre-exists the body. While all of them agree that the non-rational soul is destroyed after the destruc*tion of the body, they differ with regard to the end of the rational soul.
So I asked my Bio teacher today and he said:
We don't generally think a frog has self-awareness, since it doesn't usually think it terms of consequences. It has some level of awareness since it is aware of another frog, but mostly frogs just respond to stimuli. That is why, if a hungry predator rushes at two frogs, they will both run for it without concern for the other frog. However, higher/more intelligent species, like gorillas and lions and stuff, display self-awareness since they can think about consequences. So if a predator rushes for two lions, they will be aware of the other one. This is useful from a social standpoint, since these animals tend to hunt in groups and it's more useful for the animal to be aware of its hunting partner, so that's why this trait was selected. Also, self-awareness is how the brain interprets signals and is a series of reactions in the brain, not limited to one particular area in the brain.
So. Yeah. That's it. Cool eh?
Thats very interesting.
Does it help you with your soul Question?
Is this higher awareness generated by a biological unit or is it there in the ether before a body is formed?
Islam isnt for studying,its for living
I have no idea. :/ Sorry.
I guess MAYBE the soul is the bit that is BEING self-aware, like, maybe self-awareness caused by other things but then the soul is aware of itself through the brain or something? Like, kind of like a consciousness or something. I'll ask him what consciousness is tomorrow inshaAllah. I don't know if there's a difference between self-awareness and consciousness though.
Alan, why are you Muslim? Today someone asked me why I'm Muslim and I was like: "Umm....I dunno." I told him to read the Qur'an. Do you have a reason?