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    Default Underwear Bomber Abdulmutallab: "Proud to Kill in the Name of God"

    Here's the down-low on the Weltanschauung of the Islamic faithful, plain and simple (according to many muslims): Islam is the one true faith, infidels are scum, and it is a religious duty incumbent on the ummah to make war against them until Islam (submission to God's will) is the supreme force in the world.

    But are these just slogans that Peaceful Inner Strugglers construct their worldview upon?

    What does the koran say about all this? After all, the koran is the first and last word in what Muslims believe, think, and do. Sura 9, Repentance, is quite instructive:

    It is not right that all the faithful should go to war at once. A band from each community should stay behind to instruct themselves in religion and to admonish their men when they return, so that they may take heed.

    • Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.

    • The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?(1)

    • It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.(2)

    • If you do not go to war, He will punish you sternly, and will replace you by other men. You will in no way harm Him: for God has power over all things.(3)

    • Go forth, whether light or heavy, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the cause of Allah . That is better for you, if you only knew.(4)

    • O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.(5)

    • God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran. And who is more true to his pledge than God? Rejoice then in the bargain you have made. That is the supreme triumph.(6)


    1 Qur'an 9:29-30
    2 Qur'an 9:33
    3 Qur'an 9:39
    4 Qur'an 9:41
    5 Qur'an 9:73
    6 Qur'an 9:111[/i]



    Underwear Bomber Abdulmutallab: "Proud to Kill in the Name of God"

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/underw...d#.Tz1vu-XCz8A

    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who tried to bring down Northwest flight 253 over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009 with an underwear bomb, said he was was "proud to kill in the name of God" before he was sentenced to multiple life sentences today in a Detroit courtroom.

    "Today is a day of victory and God is great," said Abdulmutallab, 25. He also said that al Qaeda would one day be victorious, and that acts like his will continue until "the righteous servants of Allah inherit the world."

    "The defendant has never expressed doubt or remorse about his mission," said Judge Nancy Edmunds in imposing four life sentences plus 50 years. "To the contrary, he sees that mission as divinely inspired and a continuing mission."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resigned View Post
    Here's the down-low on the Weltanschauung of the Islamic faithful, plain and simple (according to many muslims): Islam is the one true faith, infidels are scum, and it is a religious duty incumbent on the ummah to make war against them until Islam (submission to God's will) is the supreme force in the world.

    But are these just slogans that Peaceful Inner Strugglers construct their worldview upon?

    What does the koran say about all this? After all, the koran is the first and last word in what Muslims believe, think, and do. Sura 9, Repentance, is quite instructive:

    It is not right that all the faithful should go to war at once. A band from each community should stay behind to instruct themselves in religion and to admonish their men when they return, so that they may take heed.

    • Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.

    • The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?(1)

    • It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.(2)

    • If you do not go to war, He will punish you sternly, and will replace you by other men. You will in no way harm Him: for God has power over all things.(3)

    • Go forth, whether light or heavy, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the cause of Allah . That is better for you, if you only knew.(4)

    • O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.(5)

    • God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran. And who is more true to his pledge than God? Rejoice then in the bargain you have made. That is the supreme triumph.(6)


    1 Qur'an 9:29-30
    2 Qur'an 9:33
    3 Qur'an 9:39
    4 Qur'an 9:41
    5 Qur'an 9:73
    6 Qur'an 9:111[/i]
    These verses are PERFECTLY alright. And, btw don't even require any sort of explanation or justification, because of the Divine Wisdom behind 'em.

    What's your opinion about this? Do you have an objection to this too?

    What do you think should be the punishment for treason/infidelity (disloyalty)?

    Well, check this out....

    18 USC § 2381 - TREASON
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.*
    Underwear Bomber Abdulmutallab: "Proud to Kill in the Name of God"

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/underw...d#.Tz1vu-XCz8A
    And, about the guy, imo what he did wasn't right. Though he might've seen a justification for his acts in the Quran, he no doubt misunderstood it. And, God Alone Knows his intentions. But, as far as the act is concerned, moving about with a bomb in your underpants is not only wrong but also insane. And, suicide is PROHIBITED in Islam. I don't think it needs any further explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicStar View Post
    These verses are PERFECTLY alright. And, btw don't even require any sort of explanation or justification, because of the Divine Wisdom behind 'em.

    What's your opinion about this? Do you have an objection to this too?

    What do you think should be the punishment for treason/infidelity (disloyalty)?

    Well, check this out....
    How does the above have any connection with our wannabe suicide bomber?





    And, about the guy, imo what he did wasn't right. Though he might've seen a justification for his acts in the Quran, he no doubt misunderstood it. And, God Alone Knows his intentions. But, as far as the act is concerned, moving about with a bomb in your underpants is not only wrong but also insane. And, suicide is PROHIBITED in Islam. I don't think it needs any further explanation.
    Have you considered that because he found justification for it in the Koran. he felt... Justified?

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    Default Re: Underwear Bomber Abdulmutallab: "Proud to Kill in the Name of God"

    Quote Originally Posted by Resigned View Post
    How does the above have any connection with our wannabe suicide bomber?
    God's Law vs. man-made law

    I mean, it has nothing to do with him, it was in reply to the Quranic verses that you quoted. And your acceptance of everything that's written in the USC. Even if it might sound harsh or intolerant, you have no excuses. Then why question God?

    Just cuz you don't believe in God, doesn't mean you don't try to understand what God's Wisdom demands.

    Have you considered that because he found justification for it in the Koran. he felt... Justified?
    But he was wrong.

    If I tell, "Before it starts raining, we'd better hit the road"...how can this be interpreted? not everybody would get it right. Some unfamiliar with the phrase would think as if I mean it literally, as in hammering the road...

    So, that's how it works. If you interpret the Holy Quran without having the complete knowledge to do so, you'd definitely go wrong.
    Last edited by ChicStar; 21st February 2012 at 08:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicStar View Post
    These verses are PERFECTLY alright. And, btw don't even require any sort of explanation or justification, because of the Divine Wisdom behind 'em.

    What's your opinion about this? Do you have an objection to this too?

    What do you think should be the punishment for treason/infidelity (disloyalty)?

    Well, check this out....
    The verses are not perfectly alright. They can provide the ideological support for islamist jihad terrorism.

    Islam was spread by a holy campaign of war (not terror, the word being meaningless at that time and place) carried out by the early Muslims in order to bring the world under the rule of Islam (and of course for power, wealth and material gain). Non-Muslims were offered the freedom to choose Islam, subjugation and payment of tribute (this option was omitted), or death.

    It may be that The Muslims haven't heard but the Caliphate is still lying in the bottom of history's trashcan. The Islam truly is a reality unto itself, and that reality sometimes warps time and space to end up as such locations as the islamist Middle East.

    The cold, hard truth is that even if a Muslim does speak out against the fundamental flaws and immorality of Islamic doctrine, he/she does so at his/her own peril. Just ask Salman Rushdie, Irshad Manji, Ibn Warraq, Nonie Darwish, and others. They've all been threatened with death and forced into hiding for their efforts at bringing some sorely needed criticism to Islam. I'm afraid this is not a bright picture we're looking at.

    If we are to be honest, we cannot lay the blame for Islamic terrorism anywhere except for on the horrible people who steal the lives of innocents in God's name. The Islams jihad superstars revile the West because we stand squarely in the path of Islam's centuries long jihad on the road to Khilafah (worldwide Muslim domination). This is holy war. Not to us, but to them. If you are unable to acknowledge the islamist precept of jihad, you will never be able to understand the motivations for Islamic terrorism.




    And, about the guy, imo what he did wasn't right. Though he might've seen a justification for his acts in the Quran, he no doubt misunderstood it. And, God Alone Knows his intentions. But, as far as the act is concerned, moving about with a bomb in your underpants is not only wrong but also insane. And, suicide is PROHIBITED in Islam. I don't think it needs any further explanation.
    Suicide in the name of religion is not suicide it's "martyrdom". Therefore it certainly is permitted. Islam's "holy warriors" demonstrate that for us on a near daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resigned View Post
    The verses are not perfectly alright.
    Of course they are.

    They can provide the ideological support for islamist jihad terrorism.
    NO, that's not the case.

    Islam was spread by a holy campaign of war (not terror, the word being meaningless at that time and place) carried out by the early Muslims in order to bring the world under the rule of Islam
    By war? Says who?

    It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

    1. Islam means peace
    Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

    2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace
    Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts its followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

    3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary
    The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book “Islam at the cross road” (Page 8):
    “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”

    4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years
    Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give theadhaan, that is the call for prayers.

    5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians
    Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

    6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India
    The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non- Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

    7. Indonesia and Malaysia
    Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, “which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?”

    8. East Coast of Africa
    Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, “which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?”

    9. Thomas Carlyle
    The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book “Heroes and Hero worship”, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam:
    “The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword! Every new opinion, at its starting is, precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone, there it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword, and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must first get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.”

    10. No compulsion in religion
    With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:
    “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error”
    [Al Qur’an 2:256]

    11. Sword of the Intellect
    It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah An Nahl, Chapter 16 Verse 125:
    “Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.”
    [Al Qur’an 16:125]

    12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984
    An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

    13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe
    Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe is Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

    14. Dr Joseph Adam Pearson
    Dr Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, “People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMAD (pbuh) was born.”
    Source

    (and of course for power, wealth and material gain).
    "material gain"?! you've gotta be kidding me.

    Non-Muslims were offered the freedom to choose Islam, subjugation and payment of tribute (this option was omitted), or death.
    You need to verify your sources, bro.

    It may be that The Muslims haven't heard but the Caliphate is still lying in the bottom of history's trashcan. The Islam truly is a reality unto itself, and that reality sometimes warps time and space to end up as such locations as the islamist Middle East.
    Huh?! What? The Islamic Caliphate was good. :/

    The cold, hard truth is that even if a Muslim does speak out against the fundamental flaws and immorality of Islamic doctrine, he/she does so at his/her own peril. Just ask Salman Rushdie, Irshad Manji, Ibn Warraq, Nonie Darwish, and others. They've all been threatened with death and forced into hiding for their efforts at bringing some sorely needed criticism to Islam. I'm afraid this is not a bright picture we're looking at.
    Bleh. What's this got to do with anything?

    If we are to be honest, we cannot lay the blame for Islamic terrorism anywhere except for on the horrible people who steal the lives of innocents in God's name. The Islams jihad superstars revile the West because we stand squarely in the path of Islam's centuries long jihad on the road to Khilafah (worldwide Muslim domination). This is holy war. Not to us, but to them. If you are unable to acknowledge the islamist precept of jihad, you will never be able to understand the motivations for Islamic terrorism.
    "Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron.

    Suicide in the name of religion is not suicide it's "martyrdom". Therefore it certainly is permitted. Islam's "holy warriors" demonstrate that for us on a near daily basis.
    If you hold such an interpretation of Islam, you'd be called a "heretic" if you were a Muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicStar View Post
    Of course they are.
    For the allowance of Islamic terrorism they are fine.


    NO, that's not the case.
    Of course it is.



    By war? Says who?
    Islamist history.


    Many falsehoods.


    [Quote"material gain"?! you've gotta be kidding me.[/quote]
    I'm not kidding.



    You need to verify your sources, bro.
    They're readily available.



    Huh?! What? The Islamic Caliphate was good. :/
    If you think war, conquest, fascism has good.


    Bleh. What's this got to do with anything?
    Lots.



    Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron
    It's a reality.



    If you hold such an interpretation of Islam, you'd be called a "heretic" if you were a Muslim.
    Wrong. In such places where "Palestinian" Arabs are squatting, such an interpretation put into action makes you a hero with parades and pictures in your honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resigned View Post
    For the allowance of Islamic terrorism they are fine.


    Of course it is.
    That's what you think. Get real.

    Islamist history.


    Many falsehoods.
    Prove it to me....or else you're lying.

    You know what I have these....



    I'm not kidding.


    They're readily available.


    If you think war, conquest, fascism has good.
    The Islamic conquests were all for a good purpose, that is establishing God's Religion.

    Lots.


    It's a reality.
    It's NOT.

    Wrong. In such places where "Palestinian" Arabs are squatting, such an interpretation put into action makes you a hero with parades and pictures in your honor.
    Not really.


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