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    Bowman,
    The horses in this sura are described in the same fashion as demons and the devil.

    In fact, this sura is even named in honor of demons.
    Strike two...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowman View Post
    You don't know your scriptures.
    Do you?

    Can you show one line from your scriptures that proves Jesus claiming himself to be God and asking people to worship him?

    If Jesus claimed to be be God, which according to you he did, why doesn't he just say so?
    That is what a holy book like the Bible is supposed to teach right? tell you who God is?

    Quran on the other hand is concise and to the point....

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    Assalam alaikum
    Quran said jesus is dead ?!

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    Jesus was the word of God since he was given the holy spirit. So Jesus was the Koran. He was not given a revelation like Muhamamd was since he had the holy spirit with him. That is why the Koran does not refer to the Gospel as the word of God as it did with the Koran. But it refered to Jesus as the word of God. That is why Jesus can talk in the cradle and preach when he was a young child. He did not receive an external revelation as Moses or Muhammad did.

    So in this way Jesus was unique, however this has no bearing on him being Divine since any knowledge he had was given to him by God. God talked to Moses but did not do so with either Jesus or Muhammad. He also gave Solomon the commands of the Jin. Every prophet was given some preferences over the others. But in the end all the prophets are equal to God since their mission was one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipman View Post
    Jesus was the word of God since he was given the holy spirit. So Jesus was the Koran. He was not given a revelation like Muhamamd was since he had the holy spirit with him. That is why the Koran does not refer to the Gospel as the word of God as it did with the Koran. But it refered to Jesus as the word of God. That is why Jesus can talk in the cradle and preach when he was a young child. He did not receive an external revelation as Moses or Muhammad did.

    So in this way Jesus was unique, however this has no bearing on him being Divine since any knowledge he had was given to him by God. God talked to Moses but did not do so with either Jesus or Muhammad. He also gave Solomon the commands of the Jin. Every prophet was given some preferences over the others. But in the end all the prophets are equal to God since their mission was one.

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    If only the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of bliss. If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct.

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    They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

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    Jesus was the word of God since he was given the holy spirit.

    My understanding was that Holy Spirit according to Christians was the third facet of Trinity. So God is Jesus and Holy Spirit, so what does Jesus was given Holy Spirit mean in Christian terms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocW View Post
    Jesus was the word of God since he was given the holy spirit.

    My understanding was that Holy Spirit according to Christians was the third facet of Trinity. So God is Jesus and Holy Spirit, so what does Jesus was given Holy Spirit mean in Christian terms?
    I remember during the days of Ahmed Deedat there was someone called Gary Miller who sometimes used to accompany him in some of his lectures and debates. Gary Miller was a Christian theologian who converted to Islam. I don't believe a person can convert from one Abrahimic tradition to another (its actually from one community to another) but anyways he once said that he asked his professors and priests at the Curch what is meant by "son of God" and what kind of a son was he and he said nobody was able to explain it to him.

    The Christian theology officially is that Jesus is not fully God but not fully human either. This is of course impossible but this is the compromise the Church adopted. The Protestant seemed to have taken this stance also.

    So in short we really can never know what a Christian actually believes since the officially theology is impossible. But at face value the Trinity is kufr so I agree with you in that and so does the Koran. But what a Christian actually ends up believing is a mystery since unlike pagan traditions, the whole Bible is monotheist and the character of God Christian claim to follow is monotheist. So I guess it depends on the individual. Its important to remember that the Bible has no reference to the Trinity and the Trinity actually contradicts the Gospel and Torah. Christian often contradict themselves when talking about God and Jesus.

    As far as the Koran is concerned whether Jesus was given the holy spirit or not has no bearing on divinity anymore than God talking to Moses (something God did not do with Jesus) has any bearing on Moses's divinity. The Christian theology is a contradiction and most Christians are confused about the relationship between Jesus and God.

    The Koran was fully aware of the Christian theology yet it divided Christians between believers and non believers as it did with the Jews. The Koran tells us among the Christians are believers and so is among the Jews. The Trinity and Jesus's divinity was introduced by later Christian authorities and is not supported by any explicit verses from the Gospel or the Old Testament but in fact it contradict many verses of the Old and New Testament.

    Later Muslim authorities introduced the 5 pillars of Islam which they used as a criteria to determine a person's faith thereby Jews and Christians became non believers and kuffar. This of course violates the Koran's criteria for faith which is faith in God and the hereafter.

    Its important here to understand that Muslims and Jews who go around saying Christians are shirk need to understand that shirk is something completely different. Though the Christian theology may seem to us as shirk, shirk is actually a more comprehensive theology. No pagan tradition believes God is all powerful and all knowledgeable so this is what makes the Christian theology contradictory.

    I say that because many Muslims, even non traditional Muslims, have adopted a "wahhabi" like understanding of shirk where often tawassul and tabarruk is associated with shirk. Any study of paganism and poltheism will reveal that shirk is something very different. I will start a new thread about shirk and its theology. This is why the Koran divides Christians between believers and non believers (as it did with Jews) but makes no such distinction for the mushriks.
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    My understanding is that Quranic reference of Holy Spirit is to Gabriel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowman View Post
    He is God.
    Cananites God





    Jesus claimed to be God and was called God.
    in your dream




    The horses in this sura are described in the same fashion as demons and the devil.

    In fact, this sura is even named in honor of demons.

    What kind of a book of faith names their chapters after demons and the devil?

    Not a holy one...
    lol> surah 100 was named for War Horse and nothing to do with Demon
    and there is no Dragon with Fire in there
    you failed

    im back just to clarify this in 2015

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