Koranic facts...

[DocW]

This ayah does not claim that 'the collection' was divinely inspired nor that 'allah' was responsible for it, brother.

Bro Bowman

I can either deny a scripture to be false. Or accept it to be the truth. You accept the entire sentence from Quran to be true but change one word. I can see that like bro Andrew you are passionate about religion. You want to believe that you are right. You cannot reason because you know that the current Christian faith does not have reasonable basis. You cannot use scripture becasue your source to justify that it is in its original state has no basis. The logical Christians that I have spoken to pray to God and call him Jesus but do not consider him to be a son of God.

You have a pre formed mind set with which you have been brian washed to believe something to be the absolute truth. When seen from a neutral perspective the 4 vital stances

1. Religion without laws

2. Scripture which only has multiple human writers translations

3. God has a son

4. Salvation without deeds on faith alone. Every Christian in Paradise , every non christian in Hell irrespective of their deeds. this portrays an unfair God.

these have no basis. I can understand why you have to resort to trying to distort Quran by changing its addressee to substantiate your claim. Becasue there is no other way.

[Bowman]

Bro Bowman

I can either deny a scripture to be false. Or accept it to be the truth.

If you deny a scripture to be false, then you have already accepted it to be true. Your statement is redundant.

You accept the entire sentence from Quran to be true but change one word.

What word?

I can see that like bro Andrew you are passionate about religion. You want to believe that you are right. You cannot reason because you know that the current Christian faith does not have reasonable basis.

Yes, it does.

You cannot use scripture becasue your source to justify that it is in its original state has no basis.

The authors of your book of faith already confirmed the Holy Bible as true.

The logical Christians that I have spoken to pray to God and call him Jesus but do not consider him to be a son of God.

Then you don't yet comprehend the Trinity.

[DocW]

Then you don't yet comprehend the Trinity.

For me it has no substantial basis. 1=3=1 would not appeal to any reasoning or logical mind.

[Bowman]

Then you don't yet comprehend the Trinity.

For me it has no substantial basis. 1=3=1 would not appeal to any reasoning or logical mind.

Please tell us exactly what your definition of the Trinity is, brother...and what part of the Trinity that you reject.

More than likely, you cannot even define what it is that you reject.

You just reject it out of ignorance.

Am I correct?

[DocW]

Please tell us exactly what your definition of the Trinity is, brother...and what part of the Trinity that you reject.

More than likely, you cannot even define what it is that you reject.

You just reject it out of ignorance.



Am I correct?

I will be grateful if you would share your understanding of Trinity with me

[Bowman]

I will be grateful if you would share your understanding of Trinity with me

You don't even know what the Trinity is, do you brother?

Since you deny it....just tell us what you think that you deny.

[DocW]

You don't even know what the Trinity is, do you brother?

Since you deny it....just tell us what you think that you deny.

You are correct bro. I have tried to understand it and have not been able to. I did ask bro Jude as well in the undertsanding the bible thread about holy spirit. I accept that despite reading about it I cannot understand the concept of the fatehr son and the Holy Spirit. Three points of the triangle but one. spirit -flesh-soul. No I accept I cannot understand it.

[Bowman]

You are correct bro. I have tried to understand it and have not been able to. I did ask bro Jude as well in the undertsanding the bible thread about holy spirit. I accept that despite reading about it I cannot understand the concept of the fatehr son and the Holy Spirit. Three points of the triangle but one. spirit -flesh-soul. No I accept I cannot understand it.

The concept of the Biblical Trinity can be visualized by the Trinity Shield.

There are twelve possible deity combinations as thus:

• The Father is God
• God is the Father
• The Son is God
• God is the Son
• The Spirit is God
• God is the Spirit
• The Father is not the Son
• The Son is not the Father
• The Son is not the Spirit
• The Spirit is not the Son
• The Spirit is not the Father
• The Father is not the Spirit

[sweet_potatoes]

The concept of the Biblical Trinity can be visualized by the Trinity Shield.

There are twelve possible deity combinations as thus:

• The Father is God
• God is the Father
• The Son is God
• God is the Son
• The Spirit is God
• God is the Spirit
• The Father is not the Son
• The Son is not the Father
• The Son is not the Spirit
• The Spirit is not the Son
• The Spirit is not the Father
• The Father is not the Spirit

That doesn't even make any sense. :/ The Father can be god but not God if the Son is God but not the Father.

So basically, the Trinity is three gods and One "God" composed of three mini-gods. That's what I get out of it. Christians just add in the capital "G" in "God" to make themselves believe that they're following the Judaic tradition.

[Bowman]

That doesn't even make any sense. :/ The Father can be god but not God if the Son is God but not the Father.

The Father, Son and Spirit are each simultaneously the one God.

This is the Trinity.

So basically, the Trinity is three gods and One "God" composed of three mini-gods. That's what I get out of it.

No.

Each is the one God.

The Biblical God is not a sterile monad like the false pagan Arab god, ‘allah’.

Christians just add in the capital "G" in "God" to make themselves believe that they're following the Judaic tradition.

The Judaic tradition limited God to a sterile monad just like islam also does.

True worshipers of God worship Him as He revealed Himself, and that is as Triune.

[DocW]

The concept of the Biblical Trinity can be visualized by the Trinity Shield.

There are twelve possible deity combinations as thus:

• The Father is God
• God is the Father
• The Son is God
• God is the Son
• The Spirit is God
• God is the Spirit
• The Father is not the Son
• The Son is not the Father
• The Son is not the Spirit
• The Spirit is not the Son
• The Spirit is not the Father
• The Father is not the Spirit

You have pasted this before as well bro Bowman. I am interested in how you justify the concept. 1=3=1

[Bowman]

The concept of the Biblical Trinity can be visualized by the Trinity Shield.

There are twelve possible deity combinations as thus:

• The Father is God
• God is the Father
• The Son is God
• God is the Son
• The Spirit is God
• God is the Spirit
• The Father is not the Son
• The Son is not the Father
• The Son is not the Spirit
• The Spirit is not the Son
• The Spirit is not the Father
• The Father is not the Spirit

You have pasted this before as well bro Bowman. I am interested in how you justify the concept. 1=3=1

The term 'Trinity' is an epithet representing how God has revealed Himself throughout the whole of scripture.

No scripture thwarts the Trinity...rather, all scripture is part of it.

[ihsan]

The Revelation from the most gracious, the merciful. A Book, its verses detailed, an Arabic collection to a nation they know. (41.2 – 3)

Even if we were to accept your bunging translation once again, I suggest you pay attention to the high-lighted word above.... But then again, I'm sure the point will sail over your head again.

[DocW]

The term 'Trinity' is an epithet representing how God has revealed Himself throughout the whole of scripture.

No scripture thwarts the Trinity...rather, all scripture is part of it.

I am still waiting for you to provide a logial explanation.

[ali]

Here, watch this




3 persons with coequal DIVINE nature = polythiesm . god is an I , HE , HIM
CAN you have 3 i's 3 hims 3 he's? EACH co-equal? yes, its called polythiesm. you worship 3 gods .

The term 'Trinity' is an epithet representing how God has revealed Himself throughout the whole of scripture.

No scripture thwarts the Trinity...rather, all scripture is part of it.