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haiderzaidi
16th October 2009, 16:38
Shia-Sunni violence has been on the rise in the last few years, particularly in Iraq and Pakistan. Every month, it seems, scores of Shias and Sunnis are killed in a vicious tit-for-tat between extremists on both sides. Many of the victims are killed as they pray or are in mosques. These incidents belie the reality of Shia-Sunni coexistence and cooperation. In Iraq, it is estimated that up to 30 percent of marriages are between Shias and Sunnis; victims of violence between the two groups frequently attend each other's funeral prayers; one group often helps the other's victims after an incident. This silent majority must come together through dialog to defeat the terrorists who have been responsible for these killings.

Seven reasons why a dialog between Shia and Sunni is needed:
• Theological differences between Shia and Sunni are old and are better left for God to judge, as He knows best and has said in the Quran that He is the final judge of religious disagreements. The killing of Shias or Sunnis will not resolve these disputes.
• The principle of "no compulsion in matters of faith" (Quran 2:256) is not just limited to Muslim-non-Muslim relations. It applies to Muslim interpretations of Islam as well. This instruction of God serves as a guideline for the Muslim community to not impose one's interpretation on others. That is why throughout history, not only have Hanafis and Shafis worked with each other despite differences, but Shias and Sunnis have lived and worked side by side with each other as well.
• When human beings sit down and talk to each other, they learn to respect each other.
• Dialog allows parties to understand each other better by allowing participants to acquire direct knowledge about beliefs instead of relying on propaganda and stereotypical images. (Quran 49:6-12)
• Dialog will isolate the extremist fringe. It is a major sin to kill a human being. Killing a human being is like killing the whole of humanity. By talking to each other, Shias and Sunnis will be able to save lives, which is like saving the whole of humanity. (Quran 5:32)
• Revenge is not justice. Killing in revenge is unjust, inhuman, and un-Islamic. Retribution through the state, which the Quran sanctions via capital punishment does not amount to individuals taking the law in their hands or killing an innocent person in revenge. The call for, "an eye for an eye," does not mean an innocent eye for an innocent eye.
• Even if some Shias and Sunnis consider each other enemies, the Quran asks us to be just even toward one's enemy "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [Quran 5:8]

Conclusion Shia-Sunni conflict and sectarian terrorism is tearing our community apart. The Quran, the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, the Kaba and the five pillars of Islam are common to Shias and Sunnis. That is why no one in Islamic history has stopped Shias from performing Hajj, although the Kaba has always been in the control of Sunnis. Even today, when those currently in charge of the Kaba are part of a predominantly Salafi establishment, which maintains extremely negative views of Shias, Shias like other Muslims are free to perform Hajj. Shias, by the same token, since the 1979 Iranian revolution, are ordered by Imam Khomeini to pray behind these same Salafi imams instead of praying separately. This mutual recognition gives us hope that a dialog can bear fruit of peace and harmony between both the communities.

aamantubillah
16th October 2009, 16:47
I too agree with this article (http://www.soundvision.com/info/muslims/shiasunni.asp) that there should be less bickering and more "agreeing to disagree".

haiderzaidi
16th October 2009, 16:52
I too agree with this article (http://www.soundvision.com/info/muslims/shiasunni.asp) that there should be less bickering and more "agreeing to disagree".

Thanks for agreeing .Here we can discuss some of the misunderstanding which exiest between us.

aamantubillah
16th October 2009, 16:54
Better yet I think one should highlight where ahl al bayt and ahl al sunna share common ground. That will be more beneficial in my humble opinion.

haiderzaidi
16th October 2009, 17:17
Better yet I think one should highlight where ahl al bayt and ahl al sunna share common ground. That will be more beneficial in my humble opinion.

ok i agree with you on this brother but also we should clear our doubt as allah swt says .Rasoolallah(PBUH) said "My follower will never lose debates they will answer sensible and give proves "

Al-Boriqi
16th October 2009, 22:48
Amantubillah

Although I understand you concern for the overall progression of this phenomenon into a better outcome than what it is now, however ther is only one slight problem.

To illustrate this problem for you in a manner that you can comprehend, I will have to use a Christian.

If you were to dialogue with a Christian, it could never be based on the bible nor the Quran, reasoning being. Because neither of you will approve the source of the opponent as valid in your own view. You will regard te bible as a legal source nor will the Christian approve of the Quran as an acceptable source.

Now, with Muslims and shiites, the same logic applies. They view out Quran to have been distorted and that they have the real Quran. Furthermore, they have disregarded all hadeeth and hadeeth sciences in islam. This is why one of my good teachers said "shiites don't have a science of hadeeth". In other words they reject the sunnah outright. They have Teiresias own books of what they call hadeeth that is derpived of a science. They have liars and unknowns who narrate their hadeeth, and many of the hadeeth they have seem mythological an borrowings of Hindu concepts.

In short, we can never agree with the quran and sunnah as an arbitrator to our difference because they don't believe in the Quran as the revelation of Allah but tamperings of Sunni rhetoric to them. Likewise they reject the sunnah outright.

haiderzaidi
18th October 2009, 05:48
Amantubillah

Although I understand you concern for the overall progression of this phenomenon into a better outcome than what it is now, however ther is only one slight problem.

To illustrate this problem for you in a manner that you can comprehend, I will have to use a Christian.

If you were to dialogue with a Christian, it could never be based on the bible nor the Quran, reasoning being. Because neither of you will approve the source of the opponent as valid in your own view. You will regard te bible as a legal source nor will the Christian approve of the Quran as an acceptable source.

Now, with Muslims and shiites, the same logic applies. They view out Quran to have been distorted and that they have the real Quran. Furthermore, they have disregarded all hadeeth and hadeeth sciences in islam. This is why one of my good teachers said "shiites don't have a science of hadeeth". In other words they reject the sunnah outright. They have Teiresias own books of what they call hadeeth that is derpived of a science. They have liars and unknowns who narrate their hadeeth, and many of the hadeeth they have seem mythological an borrowings of Hindu concepts.

In short, we can never agree with the quran and sunnah as an arbitrator to our difference because they don't believe in the Quran as the revelation of Allah but tamperings of Sunni rhetoric to them. Likewise they reject the sunnah outright.

ok you can ask me any question regarding shiasm .As you have said we believe that quran is incomplete this aquestion is absolutely wrong we have same quran same hadeeths but different logic .