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haiderzaidi
13th October 2009, 05:58
It is possible for the Sunni scholars to call for an Islamic conference in which religious
differences may be discussed and an appreciation for each other's viewpoint developed. This
is what the Qur'an calls for:
"O you who believe, if a transgressor brings to you news, verify it, lest you
inflict damage on people unwittingly; you may consequently regret your hasty
action." (ch. 49, v.6)
It is regrettable that the Sunni scholars did not move in this direction and did not try, as far as
is known, to refute the untrue accusations which were publicized by the hypocrite
campaigners.
Our silence did not stop this campaign. It made it more vehement. Many people thought that
our silence is evidence of the truthfulness of the accusations, and that we are unable to answer
them.
Thus, it has become necessary to clarify the truth and inform all the Muslims who like to
know the truth. In this effort, we shall not accuse the Sunni brothers of disbelief, deviation, or
transgression, as some of them have accused the Shi'ites. We shall not place ourselves in such
a position, which is improper for any Muslim to take. We obey the Almighty in His
prohibition


Comparisions between Abu bakr and imam ali

He said to the martyrs of Uhud, "Those, I bear
witness against." Abu Bakr then said, "O Messenger of Allah, are we not their brothers? Did
we not become Muslims as they did? Did we not fight as they did?"
The Messenger replied, "Yes, but I do not know what you are going to do after me."
On hearing that, Abu Bakr cried bitterly and said, "We are going to alter many things after
your departure."

sunni referene

Muwatta, Malik, vol 1 p 307
Maghazi, al Qawidi, p 310





I searched in the books of both parties and found that only Ali received total support, and both
Shiites and Sunnis agreed on his leadership in accordance with the texts they approved of.
However there is neither support nor agreement on the leadership of Abu Bakr except by a small
group of Muslims, and we have mentioned what Umar said about his succession to the caliphate.
Furthermore. there are many virtues and good deeds attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib by the Shiites
and cited as authentic references in the Sunni books. The sayings are full of the virtues of Ali, more
than any other Companion ever received, and even Ahmed ibn Hanbal said: No one among the
Companions of the Messenger of Allah (saw) had more virtues than Ali ibn Abi Talib. [76]

sunni reference

al Mustadrak, al Hakim, vol 3 p 107
al Manaqib, al Khawarizmi, p 3 and 9
Tarikh, Suyuti, p 168
al Sawaiq al Muhriqah, Ibn Hajar, p 72
Tarikh, Ibn Asakir, vol 3 p 63
Shawahid at Tanzil, al Haskani al Hanafi, vol 1 p 19

If Allah knew that Abu Bakr had such a high degree of faith, and that his faith exceeded the faith of
all Muslims, Allah - praise be upon Him - would not have had to threaten him that He would spoil
his work when he raised his voice above the Prophet's voice. [83]

[83]Sahih, Bukhari, vol 4 p 184



Qadi Ismail, al-Nasa'i and Abu Ali al-Naisaburi said: No Companion had as many virtues
attributed to him as Ali. [77]

[77]al Riyadh al Nazarah, Tabari, vol 2 p 282
al Sawaiq al Muhriqah, p 118, 72

As for Abu Bakr, I searched in the books of the two parties, and found that the virtues attributed
to him by the Sunnis were much less than that attributed to Ali. The virtues of Abu Bakr that have
been mentioned in historical books were narrated either by his daughter Aisha, whose position
vis-a-vis Ali is well documented, and she tried hard to support her father, even by fabricating
sayings, or by Abdullah ibn Umar, who was never close to Ali, and he was one of those who
refused to pay homage to Ali despite the popular support he had received. Abdullah ibn Umar
used to say that the best people after the Prophet were Abu Bakr then Uthman, and after that
everybody was equal [78]. Thus, he made Imam Ali like any other ordinary person, without
preferences or virtues.

[78]Sahih, Bukhari, vol 2 p 202


Ahmed ibn Hanbal said, "Ali had many enemies who searched hard to find a fault attributable to
him, but they could not, so they brought a man whom Ali had-fought and battled with, and praised
him because of their hatred towards Ali." [79]. But Allah said: "Surely they will make a scheme,
and I too will make a scheme so glad the unbelievers a respite: let them alone for a while" [Holy
Qur'an 86:15-17].

[79]Fath al Bari (Sharah al Sahih Bukhari), vol 7 p 83
Tarikh, Suyuti, p 199
al Sawaiq al Muhriqah, p 125


Despite the fact that Abu Bakr was the first caliph, and had all the power and authority, despite the
bribes and gifts that the Umayyads gave to every one who praised Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman,
and despite all the alleged virtues and good deeds that they invented for Abu Bakr, which filled
many books ... despite all that, they did not amount to a fraction of the true virtues of Imam Ali.


If the Messenger of Allah was aware of this high degree of faith in Abu Bakr, he would not have
appointed Usama to command the army; nor would he have refused to bear witness for him as he
did for the martyrs of Uhud, and then said to him that he did not know what he was going to do
after him", so that Abu Bakr [80] cried. In addition to that, the Prophet would not have sent Ali ibn
Abi Talib to take "Surat Bara'a" from him and prevented him from transmitting it. [81]

[80]Muwatta, Malik,. vol 1 p 307
Maghazi, al Waqidi, p 310

[81]Sahih, al Tirmidhi, vol 4 p 339
Musnad, Ahmed Hanbal, vol 2 p 319
Mustadrak, al Hakim, vol 3 p 51

Nor would the Prophet have said in Khayber while presenting the flag: "Tomorrow I will give my
flag to a man who loves Allah and His Messenger, ever going forward and never retreating, Allah
had tested his heart with the faith" then he gave it to Ali and no one else. [82]

[82]Sahih, Muslim (Chapter on the virtues of Imam Ali (as))

If Ali and the Companions who followed him knew that Abu Bakr had this high degree of faith,
they would not have hesitated to pay homage to him. If Fatimah al-Zahra, the leading lady, knew
that Abu Bakr had this high degree of faith, she would not have been angry with him, nor would
she have refused to talk to him or return his greetings, or cursed him in her prayers [84], and even
banned him - according to her will - from attending her funeral.

[84]al Imamah was Siyasah, Qutaybah, vol 1 p 14
Treatise, al Jahiz, p 301
A'alam al Nisa, vol 3 p 1215

The Messenger of Allah said: "Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both return to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
Sunni references:

al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p124 on the authority of Umm Salama
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 191,194
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani; also in al-Saghir
Tarikh al-Khulafa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p173
Then we can conclude that Imam Ali is * the Quran verbatim *. That is, Imam Ali is the Strong Rope of Allah also, because they (Quran and Ali) are non-separable. In fact, there are a huge number of traditions in authentic Sunni sources where Prophet said Quran and Ahlul-Bayt are inseparable and if Muslims want to remain in the right path, they should stick to BOTH of them. (Please refer to the article titled: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt). Therefore, one can conclude that those who separated from Ahlul-Bayt are the sectarian who divided into sects and were denounced by Allah and His prophet due to their divergence.

In fact, the opinion of majority is not a good criteria to distinguish the false from the truth. If you look at the Quran, you will see that Quran severely denounces the majority of by frequently saying that "the majority do not understand", "the majority do not use their logic", "the majority follow their whims"...

In another verse, Allah said:

"You are the best nation (Ummah) that has been raised up for the (benefit of) people. You enjoin the good and forbid the evil..." (Quran 3:110).
The best nation is also the Ahlul-Bayt. Let us remember that according to Quran, "nation" does not mean the whole people. This is even clear from the above verse that such Ummah (nation) are raised FOR benefiting the people. Thus Ummah can be only a subset of people and not the whole people. In fact one person can be a nation. Sometimes the act of a single person is worthier than the deeds of the whole nation. This was the case for Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, as well as the case for Prophet Abraham, peace be upon them all. Quran states that Abraham (AS) was a nation (Ummah), meaning that his deeds was more valuable than all other people. Allah stated:

"Lo! Abraham was a nation (Ummah) who was obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the idolaters" (Quran 16:120)
Thus, one single individual can be a nation in the language of Quran. As for the Verse 3:100, it is interesting to note that some Sunni scholars have narrated from Abu Ja'far (Imam Baqir (AS)) that:

Abu Ja'far (AS) said about the verse 'You are the best nation raised up for the (benefit of) people...(3:110)': "The Members of the House of the Prophet."
Sunni references:

Ibn Abi Hatam, as mentioned in:
al-Durr al-Manthoor, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti under commentary of verse 3:110 of holy Quran.
Also Allah mentioned in Quran:

"O' you who believe! Fear Allah and be with the truthful"
(Quran 9:119)
According to some Sunni Commentaries, "the truthful" means Imam Ali (AS):

Sunni reference:

Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, two reports: one from Ibn Mardawayh by Ibn Abbas and the second from Ibn Asakir by Abi Ja'far (AS).
This means that people should have feared Allah and should not have separated from Imam Ali (AS) after the demise of Prophet (PBUH&HF). This unfortunately did not happen at large, and therefore, unfortunate divisions followed it.

Al-Boriqi
13th October 2009, 08:32
The qadariyyah were born out of the Shia
the shi'a have opted to the M'utazilah in the Asmaa wa sifaat, to this day the zaidis are m'utazilah whom I was asked to discuss their theories on their shiacat forum who proved to the world that they they are atheist by their own admission implicitly.

ALLLL of the sources you cited have brought ahaeeeth you haven;t posted here, that proves and that they believed that not only was Abu Bakr to be the Imaam after him, but that whover contended with him HAS to be inherently a kaafir. A shi'a that accuses us of kufr is something tolerable. What is highly intolerable and outright satanic is the use of deception to try to cover up what you really conceal of our belief and outwardly manifesting the lack of impugning kufr upon us while inwardly you do not feel that way. That in the world of Islam is called nifaaq (hypocrisy) and that is when your outer deeds do not match your inner intentions.

Muslims were tricked into this long ago, for the same safavids opened the door to the Mongols to go straight into baghdaad. Every time a believer entrust "trust" upon a shi'i, the nifaaq of what is inherent in the doctrine of shi'ism becomes manifested.
the prophet alaihi salatu salam stated

"The muslims does not fall in the same hole twice"

to follow in the directives you state here is to take us for imbeciles and we would be more imbeciles if we followed suit. If your tired being marginalized, then bounce from shi'ism and come back to the religion of Islam as it was ought to be and as it was articulated by agreement of the companions. I say that because this plea of yours is the result of your own self. None of your co-madhaabist concede to the views you have stated above.

haiderzaidi
13th October 2009, 08:40
The qadariyyah were born out of the Shia
the shi'a have opted to the M'utazilah in the Asmaa wa sifaat, to this day the zaidis are m'utazilah whom I was asked to discuss their theories on their shiacat forum who proved to the world that they they are atheist by their own admission implicitly.

ALLLL of the sources you cited have brought ahaeeeth you haven;t posted here, that proves and that they believed that not only was Abu Bakr to be the Imaam after him, but that whover contended with him HAS to be inherently a kaafir. A shi'a that accuses us of kufr is something tolerable. What is highly intolerable and outright satanic is the use of deception to try to cover up what you really conceal of our belief and outwardly manifesting the lack of impugning kufr upon us while inwardly you do not feel that way. That in the world of Islam is called nifaaq (hypocrisy) and that is when your outer deeds do not match your inner intentions.

Muslims were tricked into this long ago, for the same safavids opened the door to the Mongols to go straight into baghdaad. Every time a believer entrust "trust" upon a shi'i, the nifaaq of what is inherent in the doctrine of shi'ism becomes manifested.
the prophet alaihi salatu salam stated

"The muslims does not fall in the same hole twice"

to follow in the directives you state here is to take us for imbeciles and we would be more imbeciles if we followed suit. If your tired being marginalized, then bounce from shi'ism and come back to the religion of Islam as it was ought to be and as it was articulated by agreement of the companions. I say that because this plea of yours is the result of your own self. None of your co-madhaabist concede to the views you have stated above.
Do u know about jaffari madhab?

haiderzaidi
13th October 2009, 08:49
Abu Hanifah studied under Imam Jafar al-Sadiq"
The four Madhahibs took from each other, Ahmed ibn Hanbal took from al-Shafii, and
al-Shafii took from Malik, and Malik took from Abu Hanifah, and Abu Hanifah from Jafar al-
Sadiq, therefore, all of them were students of Jafar ibn Muhammad, who was the first to open
an Islamic University in the mosque of his grandfather, the Messenger of Allah. and under
him studied no less than four thousand jurisprudents and specialists in Hadith (prophetic
traditions).

haiderzaidi
13th October 2009, 08:50
And excuse me dont teach me .u urself know that who was imam ali .How many times prophet(SAW) praised him in gadhir in khyaber .And it is well documented that what they did so please dont support the three.

haiderzaidi
13th October 2009, 08:58
IN SHOT if u will ask i will quote u many from your sources
Abu bakr kills the muslim who dont pay him zakat
omar killed fatima zehra
UTHMAN brought his uncle Al-Hakam Ibn Al-As, (son of Umayyah, son of Abd Shams), to
Medina after the Prophet had exiled him from Medina.It was reported that Al-Hakam used to hide and listen to the words of the Prophet as he spoke
secretly to prominent companions and circulated what he heard. He used to imitate and
ridicule the Prophet in the way he walked. The Prophet one time looked at him while he was
being imitated and said: "This way you will be." Al-Hakam started immediately shaking and
continued that way until he died.
One day, while sitting with some of his companions, the Messenger of God said, "A cursed
man will enter the room." Shortly thereafter, Al-Hakam entered. He was the cursed man.
(Yusuf Ibn Abd Al-Barr, AI-Isti'ab, part one, pages 359-360)
(2). After bringing him to Medina, 'Uthman gave his uncle Al-Hakam 300,000 dirhams
(3)The Caliph appointed his foster brother Abdullah Ibn Sa'd governor of Egypt. At that
time, Egypt was the largest province in the Muslim State.
Ibn Sa'd had declared his Islam and moved from Mecca to Medina. The Prophet enlisted him
as a recorder of the revelation. However, Ibn Sa'd then deserted the faith and returned to
Mecca. He used to say: "I shall reveal equal to what God revealed to Muhammad."
When Mecca was conquered, the Prophet ordered the Muslims to kill Ibn Sa'd. He was to be
killed even if he was found tying himself to the cloth of the Ka'bah. Ibn Sa'd hid himself at the
house of 'Uthman. When the situation calmed down, 'Uthman brought Ibn Sa'd to the Prophet
and informed him that he had put Ibn Sa'd under his protection. The Prophet remained silent
for a long while, hoping that one of those present would kill Ibn Sa'd before he honored
'Uthman's request. The companions, however, did not understand what the Prophet meant by
his long silence. Since no one moved to kill Ibn Sa'd, the Prophet approved the protection of
'Uthman

Al-Boriqi
13th October 2009, 15:43
Do you remember the 100 silly questions your silly ulema posed to us. I'll post the answers inshallah some of which clears up the talbis in this rhetoric of yours.

haiderzaidi
13th October 2009, 16:58
Do you remember the 100 silly questions your silly ulema posed to us. I'll post the answers inshallah some of which clears up the talbis in this rhetoric of yours.

i am ready have a debate with me prove that abu bakrs was better then imam ali.

Ron
14th October 2009, 11:34
i am ready have a debate with me prove that abu bakrs was better then imam ali.
How about we don't. Both men (ra) were the companions of the beloved Prophet (pbuh) and I don't think playing the game of this guy is better than this has any value. The Prophet had good people around him and these two were of the closest. That's that.

aamantubillah
14th October 2009, 15:35
i am ready have a debate with me prove that abu bakrs was better then imam ali.

I think a more fruitful discussion would be "Which is better to have when you're stranded in a desert, a spoon or a fork."

I say that in all seriousness and no sarcasm.

Sadiq_b
14th October 2009, 15:42
Salaam Haidar bro

I have another question looking at your profile. Is your religion Islam or Shia?

Peace
Sadiq

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 14:52
Salaam Haidar bro

I have another question looking at your profile. Is your religion Islam or Shia?

Peace
Sadiq

The word "Shia" means "followers; members of party".
"And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)" (Quran 37:83)

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Sunni references:

Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 15:05
How about we don't. Both men (ra) were the companions of the beloved Prophet (pbuh) and I don't think playing the game of this guy is better than this has any value. The Prophet had good people around him and these two were of the closest. That's that.

(1) Definition of a Companion according to
the School of Caliphate.
In his Preface to Al-Isabah, Ibn Hajar has defined
a Companion of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) in the
following words:
Sahabi is one who has met the Holy Prophet
while he had been a believer and he had died as
a muslim. All those are included who have met
the Prophet (s.a.) and sat with him for a long time
or a short time. They are all included. Whether
they have related his traditions or not, whether
they fought on his side or not. Or they had just
seen him with their eyes without even having sat
in his company. Also those who have not seen
due to some obstruction like blindness etc (are
also included among the Companions).1
In the chapter titled: “A Criterion for recognising
the Sahabi”, the author says:

choose anyone as the leader except the
Companion. None remained in Makkah or Taif in
10 A.H. but that he had accepted Islam and
participated in the Farewell Hajj. And in Aws and
Khazraj tribes there was none who had not
accepted Islam.
Till the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) died none of them
expressed polytheism.”

Till the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) died none of them
expressed polytheism.” 2
The author says:
If you refer to my book 150 Fabricated
Companions you will come to know about their
mistakes; and how they have distorted the
traditions.
(2) Definition of a Companion according to
the School of Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) the rope of allah(swt)
Ashaab1 is the plural of Sahabi2.
Sahib means one who is together or is in
company of someone. One who is a Companion
for a long time. It has to be a long-lasting
relationship.

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 15:45
How about we don't. Both men (ra) were the companions of the beloved Prophet (pbuh) and I don't think playing the game of this guy is better than this has any value. The Prophet had good people around him and these two were of the closest. That's that.

brother we all are the servants of god so it does not means that we all are right.

all the enemies of prophets are companion .

God sees the virtues of a person not his colour,creed

we will get everything for our work and good rewards

god is all just .

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 15:54
Acording to u Companion is a person who has seen prophet his enemies also have seen him so acording to you they all are great but did you read the verse of holy quran which is said for the hypocrites why our prophet has to suffer a lot if they all were so great

THE HYPOCRITES (63) (al-munafiqun)

When the hypocrites come to you, they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of God." God knows that you are His Messenger. God testifies that they hypocrites are liars (63:1).

They have chosen their oaths as a shield for them to obstruct others from the way of God. How terrible is what they do! (63:2).

This is because they accepted the faith and then rejected it. God has sealed their hearts, thus, they do not have any understanding (63:3).

Their physical appearance attracts you when you see them and when they speak, you carefully listen to them. In fact, they are like propped up hollow trunks of wood (They are so cowardly) they think that every cry which they hear is against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. May God condemn them. Where are they turning to, leaving behind the Truth? (63:4).


When they are told, "Come and let the Prophet of God seek forgiveness for you," they shake their heads and you can see them arrogantly turning away (63:5).

It is all the same whether you seek forgiveness for them or not; God will never forgive them. God does not guide the evil-doing people (63:6).

It is they who say, "Give nothing to those who are around the Messenger of God so that they will desert him." To God belongs the treasures of the heavens and the earth, but the hypocrites have no understanding (63:7).

They say, "When we return to Medina, the honorable ones will certainly drive out the mean ones." Honor belongs to God, His Messenger and the believers, but the hypocrites do not know (63:8).

Believers, do not let your wealth and children divert you from remembering God. Wwhoever is diverted will suffer a great loss (63:9).

Spend for the cause of God out of what We have given you before death approaches you, and say, "Lord, would that you would give me respite for a short time so that I could spend for Your cause and become one of those who do good" (63:10).

God will never grant respite to any soul when its appointed time has come. God is Well-Aware of what you do (63:11).

crzen
15th October 2009, 16:17
I follow where my heart is.... one day we will find out who is right or wrong.

Ron
15th October 2009, 16:22
HaiderZaidi,

Acording to u Companion is a person who has seen prophet his enemies also have seen him so acording to you they all are great but did you read the verse of holy quran which is said for the hypocrites why our prophet has to suffer a lot if they all were so great
Your posts seem very single-minded and without cause. If you didn't understand what I was saying then I suggest you refrain from attributing to me anything like "according to you." Your zeal is clear and somehow it seems like you know the truth and everyone is ignorant and you are here to be a warner or savior; I'm not sure. Your claim about the Prophet (pbuh) makes him seem like a person easily duped (and for so many years) and yet people after his time are supposed to be greater then the closest people to him.

I have no interest in having a discussion with a person who seems so close minded and unwiling to accept any other point of view. Moreover, I don't appreciate that every post rips the focus of the thread from its intended subject.

I respectfully ask you to stop. I respectfully ask you to think. Then if you have a productive conversation then surely people will appreciate it.

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 16:22
I follow where my heart is.... one day we will find out who is right or wrong.

Allah said in Quran: "They say: enough for us are the ways we found our
fathers following. What if their fathers had no knowledge and guidance?"
(Quran 5:104)

He also said: "The worst human for Allah, is the deaf and the dumb who does
not use his logic." (Quran 8:22)

He Exalted also said: "They say (in Hell) that if we had listened or used
our intelligence, we would not have been among the companions of the
blazing Fire." (Quran 67:10)

So Allah encourages us to think rather than to follow blindly.

Whatever you wish you do i am just showing u the face of truth dont want to accept ok its fine.
But remember after everything would be over allah(swt) will not give us chance .

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 16:25
HaiderZaidi,

Your posts seem very single-minded and without cause. If you didn't understand what I was saying then I suggest you refrain from attributing to me anything like "according to you." Your zeal is clear and somehow it seems like you know the truth and everyone is ignorant and you are here to be a warner or savior; I'm not sure. Your claim about the Prophet (pbuh) makes him seem like a person easily duped (and for so many years) and yet people after his time are supposed to be greater then the closest people to him.

I have no interest in having a discussion with a person who seems so close minded and unwiling to accept any other point of view. Moreover, I don't appreciate that every post rips the focus of the thread from its intended subject.

I respectfully ask you to stop. I respectfully ask you to think. Then if you have a productive conversation then surely people will appreciate it.

ok its your life do wahtever u want .Altough i am a syed and rasoolallah has warn us to show the face of truth if we will not do it we will be punished by the prophet.

Sadiq_b
15th October 2009, 16:35
The word "Shia" means "followers; members of party".
"And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)" (Quran 37:83)

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Sunni references:

Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247

Salaam Bro.

You know when talking with someone there comes a time when you realize that the other person is not really listening. I asked you specifically which one is your religion, Islam or Shia. There really is a one-word answer to that. You give me a bunch of references which do not answer my question. If you think that providing names and references of a lot of books impresses people or makes you come across as learned, i am afraid that is not correct. Don't be offended bro for I mean it with sincerity. I think you are quite young. You should give yourself some time for more learning and to arrive at a mature understanding.

Now consider my question a little bit more thoughtfully. Give it a little thought before answering. Is your religion Islam or Shia?

haiderzaidi
15th October 2009, 16:40
Salaam Bro.

You know when talking with someone there comes a time when you realize that the other person is not really listening. I asked you specifically which one is your religion, Islam or Shia. There really is a one-word answer to that. You give me a bunch of references which do not answer my question. If you think that providing names and references of a lot of books impresses people or makes you come across as learned, i am afraid that is not correct. Don't be offended bro for I mean it with sincerity. I think you are quite young. You should give yourself some time for more learning and to arrive at a mature understanding.

Now consider my question a little bit more thoughtfully. Give it a little thought before answering. Is your religion Islam or Shia?
islam

Sadiq_b
15th October 2009, 16:46
islam

Then shouldn't your profile say Religion: Islam?

Or at least Religion: Shia Islam

haiderzaidi
16th October 2009, 03:17
Then shouldn't your profile say Religion: Islam?

Or at least Religion: Shia Islam

sadiq brother yeah you are write but i thought that we have to write the sect in religion so sorry for that.From were I can edit my religion ?

Sadiq_b
16th October 2009, 05:58
On the top left click on the link called User CP (short for User Control Panel). Then on the left bar, under Control Panel, there is a lnk Edit Profile. Click on that. There near the bottom you have the field Religion. Make changes as you want and click on Save Changes.

Peace
Sadiq

haiderzaidi
16th October 2009, 07:07
On the top left click on the link called User CP (short for User Control Panel). Then on the left bar, under Control Panel, there is a lnk Edit Profile. Click on that. There near the bottom you have the field Religion. Make changes as you want and click on Save Changes.

Peace
Sadiq

Thanks brother.

Sadiq_b
16th October 2009, 07:15
Thanks brother.

You are welcome and Alhamdulillah... :)