Before posting another evolution thread, ask yourself this

[Yahya Sulaiman]

What difference does it make?

However we got here, we're here. Whether God did it through young earth creationist creation or through evolution, it is still His hand one way or another, so of what consequence is the matter?

Why bicker over the methodology of the act and miss the big picture when you should be admiring His hand in the act, whatever version of the act it is? Do any of you have anything to gain by quarreling endlessly over the same irrelevant matter, constantly repeating the same debates over and over and over again like with the endless repetitions of the old music and masturbation debates?

Evolution is a detail. True or false, it is not the big picture. Post about something worth posting about.

[vinod]

I think the difficulty lies in seeing His Hand behind a randomness of events or self-sustaining and mindlessness of the events as compared to an instantaneous creation. It starts to get more difficult to see His Hand as the purposelessness of the process becomes more apparent. One expects the purpose and direction to be manifest in the details.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

I think the difficulty lies in seeing His Hand behind a randomness of events or self-sustaining and mindlessness of the events as compared to an instantaneous creation. It starts to get more difficult to see His Hand as the purposelessness of the process becomes more apparent. One expects the purpose and direction to be manifest in the details.

Indeed--one who lacks imagination or simply doesn't think.

But there was no randomness in the similar long span of events comprising the evolution of His scriptures, nor in our own evolution in our mothers' womb, as described in detail by the Koran. So it is with the evolution of the species, if the evolution of the species is true, but whether that's the case is of no consequence for the very reasons I stated in my original post, and that is the point of this thread--everything I said in my original post.

[vinod]

Indeed--one who lacks imagination or simply doesn't think

And that camp would charge you with an over-imaginative mind.


But there was no randomness in the similar long span of events comprising the evolution of His scriptures, nor in our own evolution in our mothers' womb, as described in detail by the Koran. So it is with the evolution of the species

It goes without saying that the usage of the word evolution is not the same in the three cases. It means very different things and one does not logically lead to an inference of the other.

[MF]

Indeed--one who lacks imagination or simply doesn't think.

I think it lacks brain activity when you simply jump to conclute it was all god no matter how or why, especially since most see evolution as a fact. Its the thinking process towards this conclusion that some people really lack unfortunately.

I think most debates are repeating the same thing over and over again also, but every time you speak with different people and personally I think its interesting to hear from individuals if they see implications with evolution and theology and if not how they solve it.. not the question what is true or not.

unfortunately I never get a satisfying answer :( that would be a reason to give up these debates indeed.

[Ramsey]

The problem with evolution threads is that most of the people (9/10 in a good thread) don't know what they're talking about. And since almost no one actually knows enough about evolution to talk about it the thread becomes useless for the purpose of getting answers.

And this is true for both camps. I actually asked a lot of people who were for an atheistic, scientific explanation of evolution some elementary questions about evolution. Most of them did not show any comprehension about the material and made similar mistakes about evolution as fundamentalist Christians.

If anything, evolution threads are for entertainment purposes only.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

If anything, evolution threads are for entertainment purposes only.

They don't entertain me. :-P

MF, I'm off to get my hair cut and beard trimmed here, but I'll get to you later today.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Now MF:


I think it lacks brain activity when you simply jump to conclute it was all god no matter how or why, especially since most see evolution as a fact. Its the thinking process towards this conclusion that some people really lack unfortunately.

I addressed the initial post, obviously, to those who start these threads and engage heavily and frequently in these endless pointless clone debates.

Just because someone believes something doesn't mean they jumped to the conclusion of it, and just because (as you'll state below) people don't give you answers you consider personally to be satisfactory as to how they arrive at the conclusion, doesn't mean that they lack a thought process altogether.


I think most debates are repeating the same thing over and over again also, but every time you speak with different people

The endless repetitions of the same debates was a small and ultimately unimportant feature of what I was saying, out of context in the midst of the main point I was making and just padding anyway, and as such your singling on it is unfair and embarassingly futile. *eye roll*


and personally I think its interesting to hear from individuals if they see implications with evolution and theology and if not how they solve it.. not the question what is true or not.

unfortunately I never get a satisfying answer :( that would be a reason to give up these debates indeed.

Are you saying you never get a satisfying answer as to how we can reconcile our Islam with belief in evolution? Ha, s**t, I can give you that if you ask me--though I fear that if you do ask me then it will take us even further off topic than we already are, but I knew that would happen anyway. :)

Or perhaps the thing you said at the beginning of your quote means you think only a jump to conclusions and lack of a thinking process can lead one to believe in God creating the world anyway. Was that it? If you want to start a separate thread on that and debate God's existence, I will gladly mop the floor with you anyday. :D

[Ratatosk]

Salam,
[Evolution] threads are for entertainment purposes only.Pretty much.

Regards,

[MF]

If you want to start a separate thread on that and debate God's existence, I will gladly mop the floor with you anyday. :D


Okay so its about mopping the floor? either I mop you or you mop me eh?

Yes I would be interested to hear your reconciliation, but its not about wether the excistence of god is true or not, its about your interpretation of the creation of Adam and if you think he was a gradual conversion from a common ancestor with apes? Was adam a neanderthal or a homosapien?

[alan]

Vinod
" One expects the purpose and direction to be manifest in the details."

It has been said and I find it facinating,that the purpose and direction are manifest,its just that it is in a language of which we are not very familier with.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Okay so its about mopping the floor? either I mop you or you mop me eh?

Yes I would be interested to hear your reconciliation, but its not about wether the excistence of god is true or not, its about your interpretation of the creation of Adam and if you think he was a gradual conversion from a common ancestor with apes? Was adam a neanderthal or a homosapien?


*mop* Mop* *mop* I've already pretty much answered that for you already. Since you apparently did not listen a second time then I will a third time *mop* as I so often have to do, and reiterate what I wrote in that letter to you saything nothing more than, "If I'm wrong, I'm wrong." Why do you interpret this to mean, "I am wrong!" Read my post again, and carefully this time. And of course Adan (P) was gradual. Something's odd about your question, "Was a neadnderthal a homosapiern?" Was a child who bore a child who surpassesd her in every way still a girl?? Why woultn't she be?