What would nature and the 'almighty' have in common?

[Bishadi]

Seems like a good question?

maybe we have to live within both their rules?

[Al-Boriqi]

their commonality is nothing.

nature is a creation created by the Almighty. And the Almighty is the Creator, seperate and distinct from His creation and there is nothing like unto Him. He cannot be conceptualized and He is not contained nor is He within the creation.

and there is no "both of their rules.

Nature does not legislate anything. It is not a source of intelligence. It merely is the by product of submitting to whatever laws Allah formed it to follow. thus "what goes up must come down law" is a universal reality within this world by which the source of this legislating is Allah, not nature.

[Bishadi]

their commonality is nothing. so the gifts of the land feed whom?


nature is a creation created by the Almighty. And of the 2nd creation? Is the Quran not explicit in knowing the signs of the truth to be held pure?


And the Almighty is the Creator, seperate and distinct from His creation and there is nothing like unto Him. He cannot be conceptualized and He is not contained nor is He within the creation. As you isolate yourself from Gods authority based on your belief, short of Understanding.


and there is no "both of their rules. As 'they' are One.


Nature does not legislate anything. Nor does God; shall I quote, He say, it be..... such that if today is for the knowledge of the life,
bringing truth unto understanding life ever after, such that each can know death, never again.


It is not a source of intelligence. again you feel usage of nature is for your disposal rather appreciating the gifts of nourishing mind and flesh.

It merely is the by product of submitting to whatever laws Allah formed it to follow. Then do you know them 'laws' to nature at which he formed?


thus "what goes up must come down law" is a universal reality within this world by which the source of this legislating is Allah, not nature.

so what lives, dies but then the sign to see is; when life is returned

In that to understand nature (Allah) with understanding His laws of creation, then life is known ever lasting.

seems maybe reherse the signs of the next chapter, then maybe come back and ask a few questions.



What nature and Allah have in common is we cannot exists without. :rose:

[vinod]

Bishadi, are you playing word jumbles with us? Are we supposed to rearrange your words and form meaningful sentences? Or

Are you actually trying to communicate with others?

[Bishadi]

Bishadi, are you playing word jumbles with us? No much at playing games.


Are we supposed to rearrange your words and form meaningful sentences? may be may fault; I kept the heading of the site, the thread, then the comments and then address each point or comment and then maintain lines of thought of people, personalities on a few dozen threads all over the world; i guess i am getting old as well not very good at suffering fools (some of the ignorant opinions observed)



Or

Are you actually trying to communicate with others?

maybe take a peak at what is occurring all over the world and see; there's a messages being heard .........

if maybe you read what is being suggested with open eyes and find, the next chapter is being written and maybe enjoy the truth in one pass;

meaning 'creation' is being rewritten once and for all!

[Guest]

They have nothing in common. One is the Creator, and the other creation.

Allah has shown the example of His power over His creation many times. Naturally (notices how NATURE is in that word), fire burns - but Allah shows how Ibrahim (Abraham) 'alaihissalaam, is thrown into a huge fire, and how He commanded the fire to be cool for the noble Messenger. What does that show? Allah makes laws like gravity and force, but He is not bound by them. They are His instruments, commanded.

He shows the example of Musa (Moses) 'alaihissalaam. Naturally (NATURE), a staff is a stick from a tree, and a snake is just that, but He turned the staff into a snake. He parted the NATURAL Red Sea, and made a passing for the noble Messenger and the Children of Israel.

He shows the example of the knife in the hand of Ibrahim 'alaihisalaam, which naturally cuts, but He took away the Command from the knife, and though the hand of the Messenger attempted to sacrifice his son Isma'il (Ishmael) 'alaihissalaam, it could not. This all shows that it is ALLAH ALONE who does, and no one, and no thing can do, except by His Will and Command. He wills and controls all things, at every moment, at every place. He is not dependent on His creation for anything.

He sets forth an example, that if all of His creation, as vast as they are, were to gather together and ask Him, at once, in all their languages and ways and codes, all that their hearts desired, and He granted it to all of them, then from His Possession, His treasure, the amount that would be diminished would not even be equal to the amount a finger dipped in the ocean diminishes the ocean. NOT EVEN THAT MUCH. In other words, nothing. He loses nothing. He gains nothing. Acknowledge that, He is Allah, Master and Owner of all things. He is not nature, but the Master of nature. He is not existence, but the Master of it. Things which we call concepts and laws, all were made by Him. Dimensions, colours, sounds, lengths, tastes, forces, sizes... everything around us that seems to have just been, was in fact created by Allah. He created and ordained.


سَبِّحِ ٱسۡمَ رَبِّكَ ٱلۡأَعۡلَى (١) ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ فَسَوَّىٰ (٢) وَٱلَّذِى قَدَّرَ فَهَدَىٰ

Glorify the name of thy Guardian-Lord Most High, (1) Who hath created, and further, given order and proportion; (2) Who hath ordained laws. And granted guidance
Al-Qur'an, Surat-ul-A'la

Glory be to the Creator of all things.

[Al-Boriqi]

Bishadi, are you playing word jumbles with us? Are we supposed to rearrange your words and form meaningful sentences? Or

Are you actually trying to communicate with others?

do you see what I mean

[Al-Boriqi]

maybe take a peak at what is occurring all over the world and see; there's a messages being heard .........

if maybe you read what is being suggested with open eyes and find, the next chapter is being written and maybe enjoy the truth in one pass;

meaning 'creation' is being rewritten once and for all!

I think I speak for all of us here when I say that we do not understand jibberish. please reword your sentiments into a clearly defined articulation.

[Bishadi]

They have nothing in common. One is the Creator, and the other creation. As well we both can create ........any word, sound and even plant a whole grove of trees; a 'universe' for the birds.

Point is the word 'GOD' alone was created by man to share 'the absolute'....or IN which any unknown phenomena can be attributed to HIM....

as well the old question arises in every soul born; which God is the best?


and why do they question? because men have abused the words used to define...


fire burns - but Allah shows how Ibrahim (Abraham) 'alaihissalaam, is thrown into a huge fire, and how He commanded the fire to be cool for the noble Messenger. What does that show? A story was written to share how your God is better than anothers (perhaps we should compare to Judasim) They had an Ark of old, and walked aound a fortress and it fell down... now that is one tough God, they got there as well another raised their prophet from the dead.

But back to that Blue guy... any man who can handle 16000 girlfriends 'is a god'...... notice the lower case 'g' ?......was to protect the innocent


Allah makes laws like gravity and force, but He is not bound by them. They are His instruments, commanded. Gravity is entangled energy and the 'force' behind life is 'light' (electromagnetism upon mass or see the EM spectrum)..... God is the combination of all three; energy (light/life itself), mass (the corporeal) and time (transcendent)... yet in a mathematical frame this can be written by observing 'light' as energy in contrast to today's physics and sciences; the point being, not only does the truth perfect understanding in theologies but the sciences are in for a complete paradigm shift. To return to that 'trinity' of MET, that rendition in a mathematical form is that sought "name of GOD"

So what does nature and the almighty have in common.....?

[Guest]

Bishadi,


As well we both can create ........any word, sound and even plant a whole grove of trees; a 'universe' for the birds.The things you have mentioned are all products. But it is not your flesh, proteins, carbohydrates, fats and other tissues and cells, that are creators. You did not program your mouth to speak, and if the Almighty takes away that ability, you may become mute. If He takes hearing, you will become deaf. The fact that people become disabled after having had health, clearly shows that they do not do, but Allah does. Likewise with the trees. You plant something which Allah created :). A seed, a sapling, a small tree. It is Allah who makes it grow, and blossom, and bear fruit.


as well the old question arises in every soul born; which God is the best?There is only one Allah.


A story was written to share how your God is better than anothers (perhaps we should compare to Judasim) They had an Ark of old, and walked aound a fortress and it fell down... now that is one tough God, they got there as well another raised their prophet from the dead.Much of Christianity and Judaism contains history which is true. Due to deliberate or accidental alterations in their scriptures, and other reasons, the truth is no longer clear from the altered. The argument still stands. The Messengers of Allah came with miracles that broke logic and natural laws. To show that it is Allah who does, and not things that do.


But back to that Blue guy... any man who can handle 16000 girlfriends 'is a god'...... notice the lower case 'g' ?......was to protect the innocentI understand that in English the term may be used more freely. However, the meaning of the word, as far as we are concerned, is that which is worshipped. Hence why I dont use the term "God" when I am writing, i use the Arabic "Allah". In English the word can be turned around and made plural and feminine and all sorts, but in Arabic, the word cannot be touched. Perfected root.


Gravity is entangled energy and the 'force' behind life is 'light' (electromagnetism upon mass or see the EM spectrum)..... God is the combination of all three;As from our earlier discussion, where do you deduce this from? Has Allah told you that He is the forces you have mentioned? You should read the Qur'an. Perhaps your viewpoint on who Allah is, would change.


So what does nature and the almighty have in common.....?Absolutely nothing.

[Hannahh]

Hmm.

It is very simple. You are making it entirely...er...unintelligible. It is as if you think you must embellish that which doesn't need our embellishment.

Allah, the Beneficent and All Merciful

His Creation

The laws which result from the Creation

Legislation which emanates from the Creator, the All Wise and Best Planner and is delivered via Divine Messengers and Signs. This legislation is a natural function of the creation itself and therefore, the Creator describes it best, legislates it best.

Willing submission or unwilling submission to the legislation.

Consequences, material/temporal and eternal.



It's pretty simple. No need to play word games with it you know. It is beautiful because of the inherent elegance of the design not the description of it.

BTW, "equating" Allah with Nature is a kind of shirk. Be careful of it. He created Nature as a sign but Nature is not synonomous with Allah. This misconception leads to all sorts of inappropriate logics.

[Bishadi]

it is good to have the compassionate Love of Allah (thank for the lesson in addressing the term (a) ) as each moment in an evolution of knowledge.

Such that you have also evolved in how to observe the differences in associating with the Western Minds. So Peaceful articulation can occur. :rose:


Nothing being shared is to change that compassion but to know what is correct versus maintaining that which is believed.

A second story of 'creation' is unfolding.

Not to harm, but as our fathers said would occur.

To observe Allah as all that exists, then his rules are in his hand (us, we the people)....

we are his creation within HIS existence.... we are of his nature!

[Al-Boriqi]

Point is the word 'GOD' alone was created by man to share 'the absolute'....or IN which any unknown phenomena can be attributed to HIM....


all knowledge comes from Allah.

all languages come from Allah, including english.

therefore Allah ordained the english term "God" for Himself, even though His reserved right and name is the arabic of Allah.

man does not create nothing

in the realisitic sense of the word create, the actual definition of create is to bring forth something out of nothing.

in other words creating something is to bring something that has no existence and bring it into existance without any material help, only plain nothingness.

therefore nothing is a creator. we can create planes in the material sense, but plains are made of metal and other material, and we did not create metal, therefore we did not create planes, rather we learned the knowledge of how to work of material that we have and then form materials and goods from that which is already in existence.

[Bishadi]

all knowledge comes from Allah. Of course; we live within existence.


all languages come from Allah, including english. Of course; man created all words within existence.


therefore Allah ordained the english term "God" for Himself, even though His reserved right and name is the arabic of Allah. What about in Greek / Sankrit or do you know Rah in egyptian... or the symbol of the mayan quetzalcoatl..... or let me guess... God's name was first written in the 4th an 5th century is mesopotamia?



man does not create nothing then what is gona-psyphil-herpe-l-aids.

A man created word................ man created all words and to deny this fact is a lie to Allah himself...


in the realisitic sense of the word create, the actual definition of create is to bring forth something out of nothing. And where there was a desert; we have Dubia....

where the Indians maintained the beauty on north america; white men corrupted the USA......

and likewise; when the truth is honestly revealed to men; then can create fibs out the ya who... just to retain faith....

man is the only thing in existence that can release the evil upon this earth in which the loss of integrity and compassion, can be realized by the corruption of faith.


in other words creating something is to bring something that has no existence and bring it into existance without any material help, only plain nothingness. That is what beliefs in magic are; just plain nothingness


therefore nothing is a creator.

well at least nothing magical was ever created.......

such that the heavens and the earth, are ONE within existence

[Al-Boriqi]

do you believ that Gd has no likeness, that nothing resembles HIm, or is it that anything can be God

[Bishadi]

do you believ that Gd has no likeness, that nothing resembles HIm, or is it that anything can be God

Put a likeness to; all mass, all energy, all time: the corporeal, the spirit, the transcendant....

when you can match that up to your literature, then you have the correct answer.

[Guest]

Bishadi,


Nothing being shared is to change that compassion but to know what is correct versus maintaining that which is believed.Only one with very little understanding would even imply that what we believe is not that which rationally shows itself to be the truth. We believe, and it is the truth.


A second story of 'creation' is unfolding.
Not to harm, but as our fathers said would occur.
To observe Allah as all that existsAs dramatic as that sounds, I have shown clearly that this is a false statement. I ask you, with your own understanding and intelligence, that if Allah is everything that exists, then what of the rats and the pigs? Is He them? Is He the excretion of the creation that walks this Earth? Even if you can be airy fairy about it all, and speak as if you are an inspired author, it is as clear as a sunny day that He is not His creation. How does that not make sense to you?


we are his creation within HIS existence.... we are of his nature!So lying, swearing, cheating, spitting, backbiting, defecating, are all of His nature? For the creation those are qualities that can be found, but for Him, the Creator, the Light as you say, those qualities are not befitting.

I hope you aren't writing out of the Wheel of Time series or something like that.

[Al-Boriqi]

Put a likeness to; all mass, all energy, all time: the corporeal, the spirit, the transcendant....

when you can match that up to your literature, then you have the correct answer.

feces is mass
the toilet i mass
a pig is mass and corpereal
vomit is mass
mucus is mass
sperm is mass
the dump is mass
polutants is energy
etc
etc
etc

threfore, the All Truth in your eyes encompasses all the material and attributes that are negative as well

lying is a part of the human conscience, therefore that is God
stealing
murder
fornication
incest
etc
etc
are all conceptions of us, and since we are God, then therefore all of that is God as well.

inalillahi wa ina ilaihi raji'oon