addition to the kalimah

[DocW]

Is it true that the shiat muslims add a statement about Ali (ra) in the Shahadah or kalimah. If so what is it and what are the basis?

[alan]

Salaam,
Ive heard that,Ali is just about held as important as Mohammad,pbuh.

[goldenglobe]

Is it true that the shiat muslims add a statement about Ali (ra) in the Shahadah or kalimah. If so what is it and what are the basis?

Assalam alaikum Brother,
I think they add "Ali wali Allah" in the Kalimah.

[DocW]

My understanding is that it is done when reciting the kalimah in azaan and iqaamah? is this correct? and what is the rationale of adding Ali rta with the kalimah, when he is not a prophet of God?

[The_Other_Admin]

shi'i kalimah:
La-e-laha-il-Allah, Muhammad rasool Allah, Ali yun wali-ul-Allah, was-e-yu Rasool-Allah, wa khalifa tuhoo bila fasl.

Translation:
There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, Ali is the friend of Allah and successor of the messenger of Allah and his first Caliph.

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I think their rationale is quite clear -- they believe that Ali (ra) is the successor of prophet (pbuh) and true first Caliph. And they proclaim this in their shahada.

[jyang]

Do you think there is anything wrong in making additions to the kalimah if those additions are accurate?

In this case, Ali was not the successor of Muhammad, so it would make this assertion invalid, but I am just talking in general, can we add some other true assertions in the kalimah?

After all, there is no such thing is kalimah in the Quran. The kalimah we recite is actually two different phrases taken from the Quran, the first phrase is 'la ila ha ill lul lah' (there is no diety but Allah) and the second phrase is 'muhammad-ur-rasool ul lah' (and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah).

We never find these two phrases side by side in the Quran, they are located in separate sections. So someone obviously made up the kalimah. There are also other kalimahs (6 that I know of including this one).

I don't see anything wrong in saying your own kalimah as long as it is accurate and confirmed by Quran.

[DocW]

Shia adds "Ash'hado Anna Alyan Walyollah" and "Ash'hado Anna Alyan Hojjatollah" after the Ash'had for the Prophet in Azan and Iqama.
Shia scholars do not consider it part of Azan or Iqama but still recommend saying it.
The justification is that the verse Innama Walyokom Allah Warrasool Wallazina ... was about Ali therefore he was Walyollah and given that his right was ignored after the Prophet and given that he was cursed by Bani Umayyah, people started saying this in Azan and Iqama.

Sayyed Fadhlullah (a contemporary Shia scholar) has issues a fatwa that says it is better not saying it in Iqama cause Iqama can be seen as part of prayer.

A classical Shia scholar (Sheikh Sadooq) in his book Man La Yahzarahol Faqeeh says that these days (i.e. around 400 a.h.) some exagurators have started adding things to Azan including Ash'had for Ali and be aware these are not real Shia and these are Qulat.

It is true that according to Shia scholars this is not part of Azan, but I don't think any Shia ever dares to say Azan without it in front of other Shia as to the crowd of Shia this is totally unacceptable and close to blasphemy.

response from my friend AR

[DocW]

Do you think there is anything wrong in making additions to the kalimah if those additions are accurate?

In this case, Ali was not the successor of Muhammad, so it would make this assertion invalid, but I am just talking in general, can we add some other true assertions in the kalimah?

I don't see anything wrong in saying your own kalimah as long as it is accurate and confirmed by Quran.

As I see it the valid kalimah would be the one recited by the prophet pbuh. What would be his sunnah. Any additions or modifications would be bidah.

[Al-Boriqi]

whatever was not the religion then (with the prophet and companions) is not religion now (any time after them)

[jyang]

As I see it the valid kalimah would be the one recited by the prophet pbuh. What would be his sunnah. Any additions or modifications would be bidah.

So where is the evidence that this kalimah is sunnah?

[junaid]

As I see it the valid kalimah would be the one recited by the prophet pbuh. What would be his sunnah. Any additions or modifications would be bidah.

Maulana Ishaq goes in detail on on the Shia and Sunni Kalima issue.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=maulvi+ishaq

I am way too busy to translate the video excerpts, but it really deserves translation.

[DocW]

What shahdah do we recite in salat, azaan, iqaamah?