Chatttingg .... ??

[sifuu]

Salaamz all ...

its nice to have such a good informative forum .... really helps inceasing in the knowledge ...

i have a question ... normally we use to chat to pass time ... and we chat with both the genders ... how is talking online with girls with respect to shariaa ...

waiting 4 replies ...

[Guest]

Salaam brother Sifuu.(if u are a brother!:))

Welcome to the forum. We hope u will have a good stay with us. Well as far as Shariah is concerned, u shouldnt talk excessively with the opposite gender, especially idle talk, flirting and so on...

The same thing applies whether u talk on phone, on the net, on msn or wateva really. But look here. We have sisters here. They talk. But u see that is allowed due to the fact that this is Islamic talk as opposed to rubbish. I hope ive answered ur question.

May Allah help us all.

[sifuu]

salamz brother harooon

well first of all i am your brother .. my real name is asiff ... :) ..

sifuu is nicck namee ...

i read ur reply ... well u know what boys do on chattign :P flirting n all .. so in short .. its for bidden ... talking with non mehrams ...

may Allah .. help us ..
Allahafiz

[Ashhad4u]

Salam..
brther iur Q is 2 kewl :) every 1 wanna chat with grils on Islamic non-Islamic Topic :).
any way it is prohibited in islam to chat with girls wether it is Islamic or Non-Islamic.
even it is also prohibited to Preach Non-Mehram Girl

n ALllah knows best

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Guest]

Salaam,

Preach? Yes and no. As long as there is a barrier between u (which can also be the hijab) there is no reason why u cannot preach. I preach all the time to sisters, behind a screen. Where the brothers are in front and the sisters are behind the screen. Is this then forbidden? Also i came across a hadith that the prophet (s.a.w) was visited by a slave woman who wanted to speak with him, so he went and asked her to sit and he sat next to her and heard her. Obviously this is not encouragement to talk to women, rather that for the sake of dawah, as long as there is a purdah between u, it is permissible. And Allah subhannahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Roswell]

Yeah , Ashhad lured me to reply that "non-issue", yeah i thing it is,
There is no restriction to talk to gules , nno mater na mehram or mehram as long as ur intent is reasonable.
Also, it is noticable that we cant help talking girls while in the university, family cousins etc.. it is not prohibbted at all.

Only the thing should be consider in this regard , the eiquete described in Sura'h Noor. Dats it. No argue


Roswell

[Ashhad4u]

Salam..
i m agreed with Sheikh Haroon but not with ROSEWELL :)
bcoz we cant chat with Non-Mehram without Hijab, n it is " better" to preach non-mehram girl VIA same gender.

Sheikh Sahab U r doing a gr8 work but Shaytaan is our enemy, He decorates his ideas in different ways and fashions, some times in Islamic avenues too.

Therefore Scholars (Ulama) suggest you abstain from any contact with any ghair mahram, as that is prohibited in Shariah.

It is narrated from Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that a man and woman do not seclude themselves except Shaytaan interferes with them, i.e. by causing them to do Haraam. So, even though you have noble intention it is possible that Shaytaan can put evil thoughts in your heart. (sorry dont mind)

n ROSEWELL
FeMale cousins are also Ghayr-Mahrams. So, it will not permissible to speak to them. Rather, if none in the family is observing Purdah, you could obtain Kitaabs explaining the importance of Purdah and hand it out to them.

n ALLAH SWT KNows Best


Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Roswell]

Salam
Welll Ashhad u take kinda wrong interperetion of HIJAB
Formal Mullas made it so controvercial, I've read that topic in a concise way.

Therefore Scholars (Ulama) suggest you abstain from any contact with any ghair mahram, as that is prohibited in Shariah.

It is narrated from Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that a man and woman do not seclude themselves except Shaytaan interferes with them, i.e. by causing them to do Haraam. So, even though you have noble intention it is possible that Shaytaan can put evil thoughts in your heart. (sorry dont mind)



Well, It supports me :)


n ROSEWELL
FeMale cousins are also Ghayr-Mahrams. So, it will not permissible to speak to them. Rather, if none in the family is observing Purdah, you could obtain Kitaabs explaining the importance of Purdah and hand it out to them
I've read that Purdah thing .......
God said "lower your graze", it actually means that dont make dirty sight upon girl
Now it makes a sense, but your intenstion about not to SPEAKING to Na-Mehram pretend to make this world GENDER oriented, it doesnt make any sense
I too, know, You just said that DONT talk to guls, but even you have no control yourself too to prevent you speaking,
I've read all Hadith in this regard, but you should consider those Ahadith in the light of "common sense"

Regards

Roswell

[Guest]

Salaam brothers,

Well i agree with Brother Asshad, cousins are ghair-mehrams and spending time with dire neccesity with the opposite sex, is wrong. Highly discouraged. Brother Roswell, perhaps i misunderstand ur words but u should really, never ever talk to a girl, na-mehram unless there is some urgent neccesity, URGENT neccesity. I also affirm the hadith which brother Asshad mentioned. When there are 2 people, a man and a woman, together alone, the devil is indeed the 3rd present. And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Guest]

And another thing brother Roswell, its funny when people write "Rosewell", adds the feminine touch! :)

[Roswell]

Salam,

[b]Brother Roswell, perhaps i misunderstand ur words but u should really, never ever talk to a girl, na-mehram unless there is some urgent neccesity, URGENT neccesity.[b]

I DONT REALLY THINK SO, It really doenst strike my mind
i'm sorry, but i never think like that

and about that hadith, surely, Woman n Man, should get together in "public places" as i've saif before

RosEwell :( :(
Ashhad is my freind, i've told him so many times no to misspell, but HE does that intentionally, aHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, i m crying, OMIII does that too
:(
lol


Roswell

[Guest]

U believe that it is ok to talk to girls for the sake of it? Well, then im glad that islam is not based on your opinions then....

[Roswell]

It's neither based on your thinking my respected borther,
but it is defenately not your "Islam", not to talking gilrs, blah blah,
It goes to the extremism....


Roswell

[Guest]

Ha ha. You are most amusing brother, not being allowed to talk to girls is extreme?! Ha ha!!! Im feeling incredibly amused by this. No offence! I believe that this is a western theory and ideology, how many decent islamic people do u see talking to women? And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Roswell]

I'm not supposed to be an amusing person, lol

I believe that this is a western theory and ideology,

Evry poeple dont have any no mrore things to argue, blaims westrn society... how easy that is , aint it ?

how many decent islamic people do u see talking to women

What do you mean Islamic people ? are they coming from Hevanes ? or aint they ordinary poeple like me ? or who else ?

neverthless, i ve seen so many times brother haroon, I've even seen Shaking hand with girls , YOUR DECENT ISLAMIC POEPLE
but i dont think that shaking hand is prohabitted
If its a social act, let it be, no harm over ones feeling

You can read "A Muslim Woman" by Maulana Wahiduddin Khan on Hijab n Purdah issue



Roswell

[Guest]

Ha ha ha!!! Brother u are too much! Shaking hands now as well??? Ha ha!

The prophet (s.a.w) said that it is better for u that u should have a steel nail driven through ur head before u touch the palm of a strange woman. And here our brother is advertising shaking hands?! Decent islamic people....? Lets say at the time of the prophet (s.a.w) do u reli think they allowed shaking hands? What would u say if u saw ur sister or ur mother shaking hands to a "friend". Its just not on. And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[yac]

salaam everyone
this is a funny topic.
everybody seems to be making jokes.
anyways i am wondering is not the reason that ppl of opp sex should not talk is that they do not commit zinah.but if they chat zinah is impossible so why will it be not allowed.
also if you go to a chat room and there are some girls there you cannot stop talking to them.

hey again it boils down to your intention. if you go to a chat room to find girl and flirt with them and you know other stuff.... then its wrong. but if you go to a chat room t make freinds to discuss a topic then what is wrong with talking to girls.

also think about it . chatting is the ultimate form of purdah.

[Guest]

Salaam brother yac,

"Good intentions do not make the haraam any less haraam nor the bad any less bad"

Of course its not a solid haraam to talk to girls, but without a valid reason, u have ABSOLUTELY no need. I dont understand the ideology of people who say there is nothing wrong with it. And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Roswell]

Salam,
Dont laugh tooo much, :P haha, coz u make me laugh too hahahah

First of all , let me clear you , I never take hadith as argue, until I found the Authenticity , Correct Inrepetetion with Refrence to the context,
Narrators and Book from which it has taken from , must included

And here our brother is advertising shaking hands?! Decent islamic people....?

I never ADVERTISE shaking hands either, It's just a social Act, in Prophet's time, that did not happen

What would u say if u saw ur sister or ur mother shaking hands to a "friend". Its just not on.

Dont try to get me emotionaly blackmail here,
If you really want me to answer this, i woud say this is Pakistani society, not a westren one, if i would be in West, I would have answered you
hahahahah
Dont take my "curiose" replies over your little heart,
thats all my cheep opinions , im not caliming to have Islam on my own thinking, my opinions could be wrong, but argue, not just go on like you are


Regards


Roswell

[Guest]

Salaam brother,

So u do have a bit or rudeness in u after all?

If you really want me to answer this, i woud say this is Pakistani society, not a westren one, if i would be in West, I would have answered you hahahahah

Well how can i change the opinion of some one whose mind is so firmly set in the dirt?

Dont take my "curiose" replies over your little heart

You are not the only pakistani here, u know. Hume bhi batameez buna aata hai.

but argue, not just go on like you are

As far as i see, there is no argument. One thing which i see almost as an arrogance is the way that people refuse to follow even basic principles of the religion, asking for the "evidence" to be hammered into their heads left, right and centre (yeah i spealt it in the british way!) Forgive me if i keep "going on", i did not mean to appear as if i was lecturing u.

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Roswell]

One more thing , i would like to add that
i never have any girl freind, either on msn or in universities and i dont want to have one,
i dont talk to my female cousins too, nor I want to

but hrere is nothing solid reason not bbeing talking



Roswell

[Guest]

U missed out on all the fun....! lol! Just joking. Neither have i. May Allah help us all.

[Roswell]

lols,
cool yaar, its been a really fun, i enjoy,but i am not retreeting
:P

*Urdu removed by moderator

ahhaa


Roswell

[Guest]

Hey "Rose"well,

U assume im being hard on u!? U know im not! Take it easy may Allah be with u.

[Roswell]

Maulana Sheikh Haroon, daman barakutumullah, Hazrat Peer Mufti Sheikh, rehmatullah aleh, may allah rest u in peace
hahahahahha
just stop keep posting


Roswell

[Ashhad4u]

Salam.
Be Koool u Both :)
well ROSEWELL i just wanna say that.
contact with any ghair mahram, is prohibited in Shariah.

take it Cool . I'aint Extremest as u think ;)

n Allah knows Best


Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[AmericanGirl]

Salaam,Sifuu, you might think that chatting online will not lead to other stuff between a man and a woman but in reality, YOU ARE WRONG. Don't let (the 3rd person fool you). At times some people might say, well ok, you can chat it's okay, and nothing will happen. Then you have some other people that will tell you the truth saying " Don't chat online because talking uneccessary to the other sex is HARAAM. I strongly advise you take into consideration the 2nd rule. I used to chat before online and now I stopped because I've seen what things that I shouldn't have been saying and my emotions and feelings were SKY-HIGH. (If you know what I mean.) LOL Inshallah this will help you.

Allah Always Knows Best, Maslaam

[slim07]

salaam everyone
this is a funny topic.
everybody seems to be making jokes.
anyways i am wondering is not the reason that ppl of opp sex should not talk is that they do not commit zinah.but if they chat zinah is impossible so why will it be not allowed.



Salaam
Brother Zac talking online with opposite sex according to the teaching of the Islam is wrong, when you are talking to him/her for no reason just for the sake of friendship or time passing, because its also a consider a part of Zina which means even though your not in front of that person your are still feeling the pleasure of the non mahram company, the way you typing with you fingers, the thought of that person on your mind. It’s a sin and on the Day of Judgment you will be judge for it. Even though you two people are far a part but the Satan is still there and can lead you to do things that are forbidden in Islam.

salaam
Farhan

"May Allah (S.W.T) forgive me if I have said anything wrong"

[Ammar]

just wondering wat Mr. Moiz Amjad thinks abt it...

[Guest]

Im sure the noble Moiz Amjad would agree with us.

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Roswell]

Salam All,

just wondering wat Mr. Moiz Amjad thinks abt it...
We Should not have blind faith over anyone except Prophet's teaching and Quraan, but as far as opinion is concerenced, yeah Moiz Amjad is a very thoughtfull person and have tremendouse knowldge....and his opinion would highly be apreciated
here his opinion. I am the very old reader of Moiz Amjad's writing, since the site established!


Title:
Is Chatting wrong in Islam with Na mehram?

Question:

Is Chatting wrong in Islam with Na Mehram? I have this question.. plzz give me an honest answer. Do you really think that this is considered wrong in Islam?

Maria Zaki



Answer:

The important thing with regard to your question is not the relationship, or the lack thereof, between the male and his female chat partner. On the contrary, the important factor is the nature and content of the 'chat'. Nevertheless, in view of the potential emotional, moral and socio-moral repercussions of romantic chatting between young men and women, it would be highly recommended to refrain from such exchanges.

Islam does not prohibit men and women from healthy exchanges relating to their profession, education etc., yet it wants both men as well as women to adhere to the prescribed etiquette of interaction to save themselves from any negative social, moral and emotional repercussions of such interaction. Similarly, it would be highly recommended, in my opinion, for unrelated males and females to avoid engaging in overly personal exchanges with each other even on chat-channels and, thereby, save themselves from the potentially hazardous repercussions of such exchanges.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Moiz Amjad
February 25, 2002


Link here (http://www.understanding-islam.org/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=1367)

AmeicanGirl's opinion , as i understood, that there is no just chatting around, they than transfer their snaps, and than most of them having DATE, and this DATE thing shouldnt be...Moize Amjad post supports that too

He said: the important factor is the nature and content of the 'chat'.

Ronnie has also said:
Islam prescribes a socio-moral standard in which men and women are responsible for their intentions and actions. It is clear from Islamic doctrine that men and women must socialize with modest behavior, attitude and spirit. One of the key points is the avoidance of any licentious conduct. The mere hint of an impure glance or thought is admonished by a gentle suggestion of expelling the idea or restraining the eyes and maintaining God's presence within ones heart and mind.

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty... (Al-Noor 24: 30 - 31)

If the above information is taken into consideration it should be clear that platonic relationships between men and women should be avoided. A friendship (man/woman) consists of sharing a lot more of ones self than is recommended by Islam. The potential for something unwise to occur in such relationships is great. The rule should be understood in the general sense and not the exception. Chatting, in my opinion, is no different since it may produce similar results as giving a lot more of ones self than is advised. Although it's slightly more complicated to answer, the fact is that the mere intrigue of getting to know the person behind the veil of chat rooms can lead down that hazardous road.

Finally, I would say that in any form of relationship a sense of modesty and sincerity should be adhered to. In terms of mere acquaintances (of any type) at work, school, and chat (entertainment, religious, education, fishing, etc...) rooms or otherwise it should remain within the confines of the environment in which this relationship began. In terms of platonic relationships between men and women then it should be clear that they should be avoided since they tend to become more intimate with time (which is the natural progression of a friendship).

<a href ="http://www.understanding-islam.org/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=2043"> Link </a>

Aint I saying this before ?? That one should acquire the etiquite described in Quran , as said by Haroon in his earlier post too but he... look down :)

Okeah, now lets go to another point

As Moiz Amjad said : Islam does not prohibit men and women from healthy exchanges relating to their profession, education etc., yet it wants both men as well as women to adhere to the prescribed etiquette of interaction to save themselves from any negative social, moral and emotional repercussions of such interaction.

And by summarizing Ronnie's answer to the specific question,
What would you like to say HAroon n Ashhad in this regard ??
"You must not talk to girl anyway", huh !


I hope the chatting issue has been winded up !. Keeping in mind the facts that one should refrain from DATING, and "platonic" type freindship.

I'm waiting Haroon's and Ashhad's replies

Regards


Roswell



Edited by - Roswell on 07/28/2004 11:59:19

[Guest]

My views do not change with the rising and setting of the sun, respected Roswell, i stand by what i said before.

[Ashhad4u]

Salam R o S e W e L l

ma opinion is still same as Sheikh Harooon :)

n Alllah knows the BEST

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Ammar]

oh my,,,Hot discusiion going on...well i agree with roswell and Mr. Moiz Amjad :)...rest is upto ppl...

[Ammar]

and yea ofcourse chatting randomly, that i think is not allowed...bcuz that will lead , sumday, to luv or sumthing...but we can talk abt education or work...but we shud b modest..thats all

[Guest]

U agree with Roswell only because it suits ur personal tastes, not necessarily the taste of Islam. Do not be so quick to forsake either side of the argument. Moiz Amjad is good, yes, but that does not mean his word is final.

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[Ammar]

no brother it doesnt...be kool and think abt it..i said sumthing in my last post...read that too...if u go to such extremes, ppl will say Islam is too hard...instead they will avoid this...and talk to girls...and Mr..moizs words r not final...only Allah's and Prophet's r...but u see Mr moiz is a scholar and we must respect his words...

brother Haroon, Islam doesnt prohibits chatting...we shud b modest...i know u want to destroy evil from the root..but think...Islam is perfect...it says we can talk to the opp. sex abt education and work etc...and u r sayin they shud Not chat...so the awnser is there...i hope u get it...Allah HAfiz

[Guest]

Hey Omi, when did i say that u cant talk to girls regarding school and work? I aimed the missile at general chit chat as u well know. I do respect Moiz Amjad's views, but i can still disagree if i think he is not taking something into consideration. (Not that he isnt this time but in general).

[Ashhad4u]

Salam Brother Haroon :)
Nice reply ,
well Omi u should to take decision in the light of Quran n Sunnah. not for the personel opinion of any 1. even it 'll be Me or Brother Haroon etc etc.
We (me n brother) ve already pasted more Hadith (not fabricated) regarding the Music any way..
i think this topic is going to the dangerous side :)
any way..
May Allah help Us All


Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Ammar]

HAroon u said talking to the opp sex. is not allowed..like *** on...even abt work and edu...andbrother ashad arent we talking abt chatting?...u havent posted any hadis related to this...

[Guest]

Brother Omi, u know well enough what i was talking about. Lets say there is an emergency and somebody is lying there on the floor bleeding and unconscious. And then the ambulance comes and a female nurse jumps out asking u for details. Are u going to refuse to talk because she is a woman? No. I doubt it. How can u assume that i aim at everything Omi?

[Ammar]

i think u misunderstood me brother everytime in this topic...and even i too misunderstood u...i read ur previous posts...u said talking excessively to the opp. sex is not allowed...u said:

u should really, never ever talk to a girl, na-mehram unless there is some urgent neccesity, URGENT

u know what, i am also saying this..u cannot talk to a girl abt general things...This topic was going to a dangerous side like ashad said...i have cleared it up..it was just sum misunderstanding :)

brother haroon dont loose ur patience

[Ashhad4u]

Salam Brother OMI.
first f all i wanna say that ma name is Ash-Had .as in Kalma :)
Ash-had o Allah ilaha il allah..
secondly i ve pasted hadith regarding non-mehram Girls. in which any one can clearly realize.
n brother haroon Didnt loose his patience yet (according to ma point of view)
n i dont think that is here any mis understanding among the ROSEWELL n HISCHAM we all clearify the topic to each other :)

n Allah SWT knoes Best

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Guest]

Salaam Hazrat Sheikh Maulana Omi sahib,

If u think that i will lose my patience, then u still dont know me. What is there to lose patience about? If im angry, i dont speak, in case i say something wrong. Just keep sending me your duas and we will call it even!:)

[Ammar]

lol haroon...i am not saying u will losse ur patience..u have lost ur patience...plz try to be cool and calm everytime...Allah doesnt like anger

brother ashad, i and haroon misunderstood each other...im not talking abt roswell and hischam...

God knows best

[Guest]

Hey Omi, salaam,

Look man. I already told u im not angry. Where u got that from i dont know. And no i have not lost my patience either, u little pest!

[Ammar]

wat?...u called me a little pest ??? ...how DARE YOU? UUUUU!!
lol...

ohk leave it..lets get bak to de topic...chatting is wrong!

[Guest]

<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> Sorry Omi, couldnt resist, <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Roswell]

Salam all,

Why there is a need of Purdah for only women so that a men cant see them bcoz of Na-mehram ?

Why not us(men) do Purdah from women so that they couldnt see us and "comiiting sin"

Isn't there a balancing law in Islamic Sharia'h ?

Talking to a girl, is not the case of "emrgency talk".Cleared!

this thread should be winded up now.

"one" CAN't really blow his mind off what he have been taught

with extra fond n Regards and intimate attachment and loves :)

c ya around

Roswell

[Guest]

Salaam Roswell,

Why not us(men) do Purdah from women so that they couldnt see us and "comiiting sin"

Well if u wear the islamic clothes, salwar kameeze or the arabic thobe, then im sure this comes under "purdah" for men. Men should not show off their bodies any more than women. Its just that men are "stronger" in that sense, and are not usually the ones subjected to sexual harassement. Well this is changing now..... but u know wat mean.

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[yac]

salaam everyone
borther haroon sexual harrasement is forced sex (rape) and that can happen to anyone from the most islamic to least person especcialy females.

also i mentioned something long ago. what if we go to a chat room eg i often go to the xbox chat rooms on yahoo and often some girls are there.
so do i turn back because there are some girls there. imean my intentionis to talk about games but can i help if some girl comes.
what then

also my yahoo mail is feanor5600@yahoo.com
so if any one want to add me your welcome. i would enjoy a nice live chat on this topic and many others.

[Guest]

Salaam brother yac,

sexual harrasement is forced sex (rape) and that can happen to anyone from the most islamic to least person especcialy females.

Indeed, and what did i say against this? However the fact is though, that a woman wearing hijab is less likely to be raped than a woman walking around in a bikini.

i mean my intention is to talk about games but can i help if some girl comes.

Well as long as ur intention is good, and ur actions stay good throughout, then i see no reason to "turn your back".

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[yac]

salaam everyone
really mr haroon. most of the rapes occur in villages to women who do wear hijab. fact is where ever women are weak ( do not ahve power ) they are raped.

also this is so out of topic. i said earlier that is not chating the greatest purdah. you cannot see hear feel or touch. no matter how much you want.also you cannot call it lust cuz there in no way of physical contact.i mean if you go to a chat room with the intention of meeting a girl even then its better than anything else eg meeting in real.

[Guest]

Salaam brother yac,

Now it seems that u are trying to enlighten me with what in your opinion, is "Islamically approven ways to find a girl".

you cannot call it lust cuz there in no way of physical contact

Nonsense, u dont have to touch to feel lust.

chatting is the greatest purdah

And which scholar promotes this.....?

i mean if you go to a chat room with the intention of meeting a girl even then its better than anything else eg meeting in real.

Yes if limited to "chatting", perhaps. But how many people get together after having "met on net"?

[Ronnie]

Salam All,

sexual harrasement is forced sex (rape)

A humble correction. Sexual harassment is not rape. Rape is sexual assault. Here are their definitions:

sexual harassment

The making of unwanted and offensive sexual advances or of sexually offensive remarks or acts, especially by one in a superior or supervisory position or when acquiescence to such behavior is a condition of continued employment, promotion, or satisfactory evaluation.

Rape

The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

As we can see the two are not the same. Pardon the interruption.

Regards

[yac]

salaam everyone
thank you brother ronnie for the info
for brother haroon i don't know if any scholar promaotes it but think about it.is not chating the greatest purdah.you cannot see hear touch smell feel no matter what.also considfering most ppl we chat with are foreign

[Ammar]

Haroon why do u change ur opinions
i mean if you go to a chat room with the intention of meeting a girl even then its better than anything else eg meeting in real.

Yes if limited to "chatting", perhaps. But how many people get together after having "met on net"?

u said we cannot chat..we can only chat if its importnat...VERY IMPORTANT...now u r sayng sumthing else

[Guest]

Salaam Omi, yac,

If u were to look at my points, u would see that they are not as contradictory as u make them. I havent changed my mind, what i meant was that "chatting", would not be as major a sin in chat room as in real life, hence why i used the word "perhaps". Omi, its like us talking to sisters here, its not VERY IMPORTANT like u say, its just stuff worth talking about, in islamic terms. Even though i feel a dislike towards the topic, brother yac talking to girls regarding information about his games, cannot be as bad as chatting for the sake of it. Of course i am still against chatting as in just chatting the way u would to one of ur male friends.

i mean if you go to a chat room with the intention of meeting a girl even then its better than anything else eg meeting in real.

These were not my words.

[yac]

salaam everyone
borther haroon i asked you before if it is ok to chat with someone far far away cuz there is little chance of meeting.
secondly you have not said anything about whether chat is a purdah or not

[Guest]

Salaam brother yac,

Well i do not think it is permissible to "chat" to girls with no reason other than time passing. If u have a necessity, then distance doesnt matter either. As for chat being a purdah, well, what is a greater purdah than not associating with them at all?

And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best.

[AmericanGirl]

Chatting online is considered to be a waste of time, when you are just talking with men/women excessessively then it is not good.Say for instance you were chatting with a person WHO YOU KNOW and he/she is far, far away, then it is O.K. My point is that chatting for no reason is good.But I have found no verification saying that chatting is Haram.
Correct me if I am wrong

Best regards,

[Ashhad4u]

Salam Brother Haroon.

I m agree with u, n American Girl is also right that is a wastage of time either with guys n galz.

so i wanna write Hadith Regarding NA-MAHRAM :)
MAFHOOM E HADITH
If sum 1 accidently see Ghair mahram n he put down his eyez so due to this act 1 HOOR (Girl of Paradise) 'll be married with him

so i think it 'll help us to put down our Eyez :)

n Allah SWT Knows best

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Ashhad4u]

Salam Brother Haroon.

I m agree with u, n American Girl is also right that is a wastage of time either with guys n galz.

so i wanna write Hadith Regarding NA-MAHRAM :)
MAFHOOM E HADITH
If sum 1 accidently see Ghair mahram n he put down his eyez so due to this act 1 HOOR (Girl of Paradise) 'll be married with him

so i think it 'll help us to put down our Eyez :)

n Allah SWT Knows best

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Guest]

Salaam brother Asshad.

Whoa that is an incredible hadith! Ive been taught to lower my eyes ever since i was small and hardly knew why, and i still have the habit. I must have an army building up then hey?!

[Ashhad4u]

Salam.
Haroon Bhai first of All i wanna say that ma name is not Asshad
my name is Ash-Had. every Muslim read recite my name Daily
Ash-had o Allah ilaha Illallah o
Ash-Had means Witness

any way this is not ma topic :)
n I like ur Habit :)


Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Ammar]

. I must have an army building up then hey?!
lOl!...thats funny...i also started this habit a few months bak..this is a very gud habit i must say..now whenevr i see a girl outside my home or sum place, i start loking down..but in a crowdd place where there r many ppl, its difficult

[Ashhad4u]

Salam Omi.

I knew OMI it is very difficult for us to put down our Eyez on Publi places but.. we should marry with HOOR :)
any way I ve a complain regarding ur replies whenever I open FORUM it looks like

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hmm so OMII u want to increase ur number of POSTS :)
just Joke Lolz.

Allah Hafiz

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Roswell]

Salam,
hay Ashhad how it feels when someone misspells your nick or name ?? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Well, increasing post phobia , is not only OMII's habbit but Look at our resptec brother Hazrat Maulana Sheikh Harooon ! :)
lol
Well, anyhow, its good to read those guys post, I like to read

warm wishes to evryone

Roswell

[Ashhad4u]

Salam.
Well RosEweLl :) Posts of these guys are really interesting..
but i think OMI want to increase his POST :) any way..
Best of Luck OMI.

Allah Hafiz.

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[AmericanGirl]

Salaam Rosewell,

ha...ha.....ha, Increasing post "Phobia"?.......(lol)

[Ammar]

lol...sumone caught me after all..haha..actually brother haroon was sayin we wer neck to neck in posts..so i thot why not have a competetion..but if u ppl think i post lame(useles) , then tell me...i wont feel bad abt that...so plz do tell me

[Roswell]

Salam, American Girl, or Can I say (us girl) :P lolz
yeah
I always look for fun around here , and i used phobia for its another mean :P
and Omiii,
dont get piss off, it was just kidding
keep posting, your doing good

Hay "us girl" watch out my nicks spelll, this is not the flower one :)



Roswell

[Ashhad4u]

Salam RosWelL

I always look for fun around here

Roswell chek out the the link which is pasted by OMI in his topic BOLLYWOOD

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Guest]

Salaam Rosewell,

U know, the funny thing is, the more u tell people not to call u "Rose"well, the greater the chance is that they will!

[Ammar]

lol...yea right abt rosewell...Hey ashad what do u mean by this:

Quote:
I always look for fun around here

Roswell chek out the the link which is pasted by OMI in his topic BOLLYWOOD


is that funny or sumthing? [:S]

[Ashhad4u]

Salam OMI

i dont think that it was 2 funny... I m jst informing ROSWELL here. for chek this link. not any more else.. :s



Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Ammar]

ashad.i know it wasnt funny at all.but why did u quote this

'I always look for fun around here '

i thot u found it funny.u cud have informed roswell without quoting this.ANyways leave this.

[Guest]

Another example of a fruitful conversation hey?!:)

[Roswell]

HAHAHA,

I tell you what, Ashhad is just in with you guys(battle to increase number of posts) :P lols,
that He has to make lame post like you did Omii in reply of what Ashhad did !
like i'm doing it right now :( heheheh,

Another example of a fruitful conversation hey
Very lameless + Shameless.
hahahahha
:P
hay but where is "us" girl ?

I misses her.



Roswell

[Ashhad4u]

Salam..
ROSWELL if there will a target to achieve 1000 post n u 'll become the moderator of this Group then i 'll think about it but now i m just answering MR OMII
wat can i do while Omi ask short Qs to me ???
so I ve to give short answer

any way.

here is fun to learn. :)

BONJOUR

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

[Ammar]

Haroon is sooo...wat can i say...i rold him in the other topic that click on POst New Reply icon only once..i wanted him to delete his 2 extra posts..but he didnt [:@] ..and now u ppl r saying i post lame..atleast i DOnt..brother ashad is!

[Guest]

Salaam Omi,

Haroon is sooo........?

I would be grateful if u could finish that :), little one. And i said once before, i cant delete posts, otherwise i would have. My stupid computer, does stupid things, when i try to delete these stupid posts!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>