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yac
9th July 2004, 12:22
i am reffering to the numerous ways available nowadays to improve our appearence. i mean plastic surgery

also besides working on our faces our brest implants and other such procedures allowed cuz one of my friends is getting a breast implant in the usa. so what should i tell her

vinod
9th July 2004, 13:38
Salaam yac

Don't look at circumstances in life as isolated and unconnected events. Always ask yourself - how is this particular act that I am getting into going to help me achieve the purpose of life - worship of Allah, remebrance of Allah, remebrance of death and Day of Judgement, fulfillement of responsibilities.
Simply thinking along these lines, gives answers to a number of questions.
The Prophet is reported to have said something like this " the sign of a true believer is that he does not engage in vain pursuits"

Now, I leave it to you to apply this to your query below.

Ammar
9th July 2004, 13:40
salam...yac i heard it sumwhere that improving our appearance by these means is not allowed in Islam...and vinod is right to..ur purpose in life is not this..think over it

thanh
9th July 2004, 23:20
If a woman is allowed to wear make-up to appear more attractive for her husband, then plastic surgery should be ok, too. Islam requires her to cover her curves anyway.
After all, if she is unhappy with her body and that is the way to alleviate the problem, she should decide for herself.

Guest
10th July 2004, 02:03
Unhappy? Unhappy with what though? Allah created the strong to see whether they would oppress the weak. The weak to see if they would thank for what they have. Allah gave u the breath in ur lungs, each heart beat asks permission if it can beat, what do u have to be unhappy about? I dont get that principle. I think wat people need is to be told that Allah says, "I created u all beautiful, to Me u are all equal" at least in these worldly appearances.

Edited by - Sheikh Haroon on 07/09/2004 19:04:04

yac
10th July 2004, 16:27
sallaaam everyone

no offence but this mumbo jumbo about purpose in life in not important
if someone is comming to this site they probably already know there purpose is to please ALLAH.

yac
10th July 2004, 16:30
sallam again+

also she is not married nor is she unhappy with her looks
she just want to look better.

Nadeem
10th July 2004, 20:33
Salaam yac,

Why would someone like to look better by changing the way Allah(swt) has created them by adding artificial and often dangerous plastic into their bodies??We are made of flesh and don't need plastic in our bodies,unless for a lifesaving or other necessary reason!!

I think it's insulting to oneself and especially to their creator to go to such unnecessary lengths.

Wearing make-up is completely different altogether because you are not changing your form but just enhancing your appearance.It falls in the same category as washing/conditioning your hair,bathing,grooming yourself,applying henna,oil,cream or lotion to yourself as we all do!!

Meddling with nature is a sin in Islam,and would only be allowed in the case of life or death which this surely is NOT!!

Wasalaam.

"And say that the Truth has come and falsehood vanished,for falsehood is ever bound to vanish."
Holy Qur'an.

Ammar
10th July 2004, 22:06
salam...brother yac, the way u talked is not acceptable over here...we ppl r here to guide u...if u find anything wrong in us, then u can just SAY it...and many ppl dont kno their purpose is to please Allah...even those who join this forum...ALlah HAfiz...may God forgive u and me

thanh
10th July 2004, 22:42
Nadeem wrote:
<blockquote>Why would someone like to look better by changing the way Allah(swt) has created them by adding artificial and often dangerous plastic into their bodies??We are made of flesh and don't need plastic in our bodies,unless for a lifesaving or other necessary reason!!

I think it's insulting to oneself and especially to their creator to go to such unnecessary lengths.</blockquote>There are a couple of reasons why someone would want to look better:
1. Good-looking students get more attention and better marks from their teachers
2. Good-looking patients get more personalized care from their doctors
3. Good-looking employees are paid better and get their desired job more easily
etc.
See http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Custom/MSN/CareerAdvice/297.htm and http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/popkins2.html for details.<blockquote>Wearing make-up is completely different altogether because you are not changing your form but just enhancing your appearance.It falls in the same category as washing/conditioning your hair,bathing,grooming yourself,applying henna,oil,cream or lotion to yourself as we all do!!</blockquote>Plastic surgery enhances your appearance as well. The difference is just that it is achieved through physical means, while cosmetics use chemicals (which occasionally have adverse health effects, too). I don't see why changing colour is better than changing form.

Guest
11th July 2004, 00:07
Salaam brothers.

Brother yac.

no offence but this mumbo jumbo about purpose in life in not important if someone is comming to this site they probably already know there purpose is to please ALLAH.

Brother if this woman that u speak of knew she was here to please Allah then she would be content with what He has given her. And forgive me but this is THE most important, anyone will ever tell u. The whole point ur here on this site, is too learn and teach about Islam, not to, hopefully, appear intelligent or show off, but to please Allah. EVERY single thing u do should be for the sake of Allah and nothing else. And forgive me for saying this, but u "mumbo jumbo" is a very rude way of saying, offensive almost. May Allah have mercy on me and u.

Brother Nadeem. What u say i stand by 100%.

I think it's insulting to oneself and especially to their Creator to go to such unnecessary lengths.

Need i say anything else? When sum1 does plastic surgery they most often than not, want to look like sum1 else. Therefore they are discontent in the way that Allah created them and want to look like sum1 "better". This is a very, very low way of thanking our Lord for what He has given. He lets that breath of urs keep u alive, that blood keep pumping around ur body, that heart keep beating..... and this is how u thank Him? How thankless. How shameless.

Thanh,

There are a couple of reasons why someone would want to look better:
1. Good-looking students get more attention and better marks from their teachers
2. Good-looking patients get more personalized care from their doctors
3. Good-looking employees are paid better and get their desired job more easily

What a world we live in! Here u have people clamouring for homosexual rights, anti-prejudice acts taken out against gay people, churches with gay priests.... and then people are messed around when it comes to the academic world because of their looks? Ha! Civilised world indeed!

A teacher teaches all the students equally. He/ she marks the same answer right and the same answer wrong regardless of looks. A doctors job is to cure. They are paid to cure and help everyone. They dont say, "Oh he is not good looking, therefore im not going to treat him." What rubbish. Appearance matters a bit indeed. But to get a job, qualifications are more important than ur capability to catch the eye of the opposite sex. True there may be sum prejudice when it comes to looks, but what is the point of sueing someone? (If i spelt that right) Surely in a world where the homosexual are given marriage rights and anyone who says anything to those who practise it, can be made to pay a fine, or appear in front of a court, i think it reasonable that the good looking and the not so good looking are given similar rights.

As far as Islam says, everyone is equal. White, black, big, small, tall, short, good looking or not so good looking. All equal in the sight of Allah. And whose sight is better than Allah's?

May Allah help us all.

thanh
11th July 2004, 05:15
Sheikh Haroon wrote:
<blockquote>Thanh,

There are a couple of reasons why someone would want to look better:
1. Good-looking students get more attention and better marks from their teachers
2. Good-looking patients get more personalized care from their doctors
3. Good-looking employees are paid better and get their desired job more easily

What a world we live in! Here u have people clamouring for homosexual rights, anti-prejudice acts taken out against gay people, churches with gay priests.... and then people are messed around when it comes to the academic world because of their looks? Ha! Civilised world indeed!</blockquote>It is indeed a sad fact that less attractive people are at a disadvantage. However, it is nowhere clear that this kind of discrimination is intentional. Regarding homosexuality I fail to see your point.<blockquote>A teacher teaches all the students equally. He/ she marks the same answer right and the same answer wrong regardless of looks. A doctors job is to cure. They are paid to cure and help everyone. They dont say, "Oh he is not good looking, therefore im not going to treat him." What rubbish. Appearance matters a bit indeed. But to get a job, qualifications are more important than ur capability to catch the eye of the opposite sex.</blockquote>Teachers and doctors are usually allowed some latitude in evaluating students/treating patients. I don't think they deliberately discriminate against ugly people. Maybe they are more comfortable in dealing with attractive people.
To get a job, the three most important factors are (in that order): promotion of one's image, good connections and qualification. Apparently, this is easier for the good-looking.<blockquote>True there may be sum prejudice when it comes to looks, but what is the point of sueing someone? (If i spelt that right) Surely in a world where the homosexual are given marriage rights and anyone who says anything to those who practise it, can be made to pay a fine, or appear in front of a court, i think it reasonable that the good looking and the not so good looking are given similar rights.</blockquote>Certainly there is no formal discrimination against ugly people. But assume somebody feels that he is at a disadvantage because he isn't good-looking enough. He can't go to court because everybody is acting within discretion. He now has the following choices:
1. Make up for this by working harder on his social and professional skills
2. Increase his attractiveness with surgical and/or other methods
3. Tell his teacher/boss/doctor how unfair they are and demand equal treatment.

In my opinion it is not surprising that many people opt for 2.

yac
11th July 2004, 13:31
salaam everyone

sorry if i offended anyone.or if said something against the spirit of islam or this forum.i only meant that throughout these forums a lot of time is taken in telling ppl stuff like purpose in life. this takes up a lot of time to read write which could be better spent solving problems
i apologize again but i'm impatient and get bored easily with talk like that esppeccialy if its repaeted so many times.

Guest
11th July 2004, 17:54
Salaam brother yac.

Dont worry about it, we all understand how u feel.

Thanh,

Well my point about homosexuality first. The religion of Islam believes it is an act against the very spirit of life. It is an act against the nature of man. In our religion it is branded haraam. My point was that if people are fighting for gay rights, who in my opinion and the opinion of my religion, are doing wrong, then why cant they fight for equal treatment just because of the way they look? God Himself in all his Majesty and Honour says, "I created everyone beautiful". If He is saying, then it is true. What is beautiful in our eyes is anothers face. This just shows that we do not deserve to be of God's creatures because we are so "thankful" that we throw what He has given us, straight in His face and say we dont want it. I seriously think that it is such a major wrong to be discontent with what He has given u. He says that on the Day, when u are placed in ur eternal abodes, heaven or hell, the dwellers of heaven will get what they most desire. If u think ur not good looking here, ask for it then...

May Allah help us all.

Ammar
11th July 2004, 22:44
salam...thanh said:

There are a couple of reasons why someone would want to look better:
1. Good-looking students get more attention and better marks from their teachers
2. Good-looking patients get more personalized care from their doctors
3. Good-looking employees are paid better and get their desired job more easily

i agree wid all of them...brother haroon, we r not living in a fantasy world...in this world, it happens like that...atleast in my country...talk abt any country?...even muslim countires...man pppl luk for attractive ppl for employment...the 2nd one is a bit confusing but i sumhow agree wid it...and Gud luking students DO get more attention then normal lukin boys...take example of any country...any place...

may ALlah have mercy on me and you

Guest
12th July 2004, 02:09
Well brother Omii,

They cant be people following the fundamentals of Islam then can they? Because Islam is a universal religion. On the Day of Judgement Allah will say to that teacher, why did u do injustice to that pupil just because he was not as good looking as the others? This world we live in is practically corrupt from head to toe. If anyone does do that, they are NOT following the fundamentals of Islam.

May Allah help us all.

Ammar
12th July 2004, 20:34
salam...well ohk they r not following...but what shud WE do then?...shud we bear ?...we Cant...and tell u wat this may lead to suidcide..when a person feels alone beacuase everyone ignores him and all...well i think in these cases, we can

Nadeem
13th July 2004, 19:43
Salaam all,

The topic is concerned with improving ones looks in Islam!

I have safely stated that it is okay to do so as long as you do not change your natural physical form,unless for a lifesaving or other important reason!

It is so well known even among people with little knowledge that it is WRONG to artificially change what Allah(swt) has created,either by plastic surgery or amputation and any other such means to change ones appearance.
Also commonsense tells us so!

I don't know why people just can't understand this.We can't force anyone to do anything but are just giving our humble knowledgeable advice while trying to help people in understanding what Islam allows and disallows.

What people think and do is their business and bears no relation to the Islamic viewpoint!

Wasalaam.

"And say that the Truth has come and falsehood vanished,for falsehood is ever bound to vanish."
Holy Qur'an.

Edited by - Nadeem on 07/13/2004 15:17:52

Edited by - Nadeem on 07/13/2004 15:22:44

Edited by - Nadeem on 07/15/2004 14:15:11

Guest
14th July 2004, 01:50
Salaam,

I agree with brother Nadeem. It is a fairly simple problem really.

May Allah help us all.

Ammar
16th July 2004, 22:02
salam..brother nadeem cud u explain wat u said or brother haroon? ...i didnt get u

Nadeem
17th July 2004, 22:27
Salaam omiii,

Please can you read my replies again carefully ,because they are quite easy and self explanatory.

Basically I am saying that it is okay to do things to improve your looks,

but Islam does not allow you to change the shape of your body by artificial means, except to save your life or any other important reason.

So it is wrong for a woman to have plastic breast implants to look better.

Salaam all others,

I would like to point out that when Islam allows a woman to wear make up and perfume , IT IS ONLY TO PLEASE HER HUSBAND at home and NOT to appear attractive to other men,NOT even to attract a marriage partner.
She must remove all traces of make-up and perfume before going out of the house.

It is also allowable for a woman to improve her physical form and make it better by doing any natural excercises and slimming/dieting.
Wasalaam.

"And say that the Truth has come and falsehood vanished,for falsehood is ever bound to vanish."
Holy Qur'an.

Ammar
18th July 2004, 00:32
salam...thanx nadeem ..this was not clear to me :

I don't know why people just can't understand this.We can't force anyone to do anything but are just giving our humble knowledgeable advice while trying to help people in understanding what Islam allows and disallows.

What people think and do is their business and bears no relation to the Islamic viewpoint!


its still not..lol..but i do undersatnd wat u have said and that is enuff for me...thanx again

Guest
19th July 2004, 00:35
Salaam Nadeem,

Im sorry but i must have missed the part which says "its ok to improve ur looks". If this is correct then i am in contradiction with my points on bodybuilding. I take it back, i agree with the rest but not this, until u explain and justify it.

Jazak'Allah.

May Allah help us all.

Ammar
20th July 2004, 22:27
salam..waiting for br. nadeem/s reply

''for say now..the truth has come and falsehood perished for falsehood is bound to perish''

Nadeem
20th July 2004, 23:18
Salaam all,

Sheikh Haroon,
I meant that it is okay to improve your looks (including bodybuilding)to a controlled extent.That means you must avoid going to unnecessary lengths!I don't think bodybuilding is wrong if kept under control and done for a good reason.Physical fitness,health and also self defence.
But as Islam is a religion of moderation,obviously you have to keep everything under reasonable control.

Omiii,
I don't know why people just can't understand that it is wrong to artificially change their physical form unless for a justifiable reason.
Basically I meant that people do what they want,regardless of whatever Islam says.That is their business and Allah(swt) will hold them to account.
Wasalaam.

"And say that the Truth has come and falsehood vanished,for falsehood is ever bound to vanish."
Holy Qur'an.

Edited by - Nadeem on 07/20/2004 16:40:02

Ammar
21st July 2004, 12:54
salam brothers...its clear now...the body building thing is clear too..thanx

''for say now..the truth has come and falsehood perished for falsehood is bound to perish''

palm
15th August 2004, 22:09
Some more on body building can be found at the following link

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=40527&dgn=4


..and ALLAH Almighty knows best

Guest
15th August 2004, 23:08
Thank u for that link, Palm, it was most illuminating.

sheik
18th August 2004, 11:40
salaam,

plastic surgery is not haraam to a certain extent. for example you get in to a car crash, your face is messed up, to be accepted into socitey once again, a person can use plastic surgery. if a person is over weight and that affects their lifestyle then liposuction is allowed. regarding breast implants, there is really no point for breast implants besides appeal. breast implants are also dangerous for it has higher levels of risk when it comes to infection. breast implant is allowed if a womans breast are uneven or deformed and along those lines. other wise for the sake of appeal and pom and stance then it is not allowed. I don;t want to use haraam because that i am not sure about 100%.

salaam

Mehreen
18th August 2004, 15:08
Salam
what you people mean to say is body building is not wrong. well this is what i get from your posts. and I would like to ask why is body building not considered as sumthing wrong? I mean WHY is it wrong when girls do something to improve their looks. Well and if you say girls do it just cuz of men. Then men also do it for girls. and if its wrong for women to improve her looks if its not necessary then body building i mean like whats necessary in it? WHY do men have to it??
Allah Hafiz

Mehreen

Ashhad4u
18th August 2004, 17:17
Salam MEHREEN

ur question is really geniuine but here are two points

FITNESS for girls (for outlook ie surgery)
FITNESS for BOY (BODY BUILDING)

Both male n female ve rights to maange their physics but now a dayz we commit it for another point ie attraction for both .
while female can also maintain her body n physic there is no restriction but to showing just for her HUSBAND. not for the other MALE.

while Guyz can also maintain their BODY but it is rong for the sake of GIRLZ :p

i think it 'll helps

JazakAllah

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

Mehreen
18th August 2004, 18:07
welllllll if girls can only show it to men then why can men go round and show their body to anyone they want?

Mehreen

From The Ashes
18th August 2004, 19:08
Mehren, u and S,Haroon think alike, he was against bodybuilding/ but i dont get his argues, he sounds jelous to me' i mean look wich scolar has said its rong?

Mehreen
18th August 2004, 21:38
being like Sheikh Haroon is a real gud compliment for me, I am happy for my thinking is like him =) anyway well, and well as far as i know Sheikh Haroon he is not jealous of anyone,its just the way people express their ideas or the way you think maybe , and well well well what do you mean by "scholar" its like we dont have to spend our lives the way scholars want, we gotta spend it the way Allah wants :)and well in my openion its wrong because if girls are just allowed to show their bodies to her husband, then well if boyz have to do the body building, one should make hijab for them aswell? like what i actually mean is WHY is this rule only for girls, its wrong when boyz do it aswell, it is wrong for men to show their bodies aswell :) but well keep this thing in your mind that YOU gotta spend you life the way Allah wants not the way scholars want
May Allah be with You and Me

Mehreen

Guest
19th August 2004, 00:19
Salaam All,

Subhanallah and may Allah be with u always sister, indeed u have won my heart, as have the rest of u, my dear brothers. A compliment to be like me?! Ha! May Allah be with u always.

Well back to the topic, sister Mehreen ji, u are totally in the right, that men should not be allowed to reveal their bodies, and believe me i completely back u up. The great levels of shame, indecency and disgrace shown by men nowadays, is as bad, if not worse than women who go bad. There is much corruption in todays world, and indeed men do thing they are exempt from laws of decency and shame. But i do have one thing to say to u though, beloved sister and that is S.L.G! :)

Everything on Earth shall surely perish, indeed our death will come. Prepare today and reap the reward tomorrow.

Ashhad4u
19th August 2004, 01:40
SALAM MEHREEN

MEHRENN UR OPINION IS 100% right .
while its depend on a person Y he is Doing BODY BUILDIN ?? for Maintain his body or ANY OTHER PURPOSE :)

secondly girlz can only show off themself in front of her hsuband .
here a matter is different for Boyz :=) any way Ive cleared my best n also pointed out the purpose of BODY BUILDING

waiting for ur reply
JazakAllah


Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

Guest
19th August 2004, 02:03
Ashhad sahib, salaam,

Firstly i want to make clear the fact that I dont bodybuild, and i maintain my body just fine, alhamdulillah.

Second.

secondly girlz can only show off themself in front of her husband. Here a matter is different for Boyz

Perhaps i misunderstood your words, or u havent read carefully enough my views on bodybuilding, but this is the EXACT ideology i was against. NO! Boys cannot show off, they are equal to girls. Show off in front of me with ur muscles and u'll likely be left with a searing hot right cheek for a month! I detest this "showing off", let me make it absolutely clear. I do not mean to say u are doing it, but know that the more a person shows off, the more he builds pride and vanity, and the lower the pul sirat will take him into the depths of Hellfire. Never encourage "showing off" brother, it is an abominable evil, only the spawn of the devil hold the heads up high, and this leads me back to my points against bodybuilding, that the majority of these bodybuilders u see, how limitless amounts of pride in them.

Allah says in the Quran Sura 17. Ayah 37:

Yusuf Ali:Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canst not rend the earth asunder nor reach the mountains in height.

Pickthall:And walk not in the earth exultant. Lo! thou canst not rend the earth, nor canst thou stretch to the height of the hills.

M.Asad:And walk not on the Earth with haughty self-conceit for, verily thou canst never rend the Earth asunder, nor canst thou grow as tall as the mountains!

Malik: You shall not walk arrogantly on the earth, for you can neither rend the earth asunder nor attain the height of the mountains.

And then if i provide simply the next ayah, u will see why i am so strongly against such pride and acts leading to it. Sura 17. Ayah 38.

All these and their evil aspects are hateful in the sight of your
Rabb.

So back to the point, the matter of "showing off" does not even arise, i hope u understand Ashhad sahib. Forgive me and correct me if i said something wrong.

Everything on Earth shall surely perish, indeed our death will come. Prepare today and reap the reward tomorrow.

sheik
19th August 2004, 07:19
salaam,

body buliding wrong? that is ridiculus. seriously if a man or woman tries to body build for strenght, stamina, health, etc. that is 100% allowed in islam and encouraged. why would you damage the body Allah has so generously provided to you by not acheiving the fulliest physical potential. apparently if your intentions are bad then by all means stay away from body building its "haraam" but i truthfully and seriously believe it is allowed and very much so good to do. (depending on most curcumstances)

salaam

Ashhad4u
19th August 2004, 11:04
Salam..

Haroon bhai next post
but my point of u is , just to maintian ur body without showing off with arogance n pride

so waiting for ur post..

JazakAllah

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

Mehreen
19th August 2004, 17:37
Salam
I 100% agree with brother Sheikh Haroon :). Girls and boyz shall not be different from others in this case :). Well Ashadd4u over here you are saying k its not wrong if one is not doing it for some showing off type reason. well then WHY i mean WHY do girls havta do hijab? Why can't girls show their bodies if only they want to not because of the showing off wala reason?? well if girls can't then boys can't either :). and Sheik ermmmm i guess one can keep his/her body without bodybuilding. It is not sumthing necessary in sumones life :).
Allah Hafiz

Mehreen

Guest
20th August 2004, 02:44
Salaam brother Sheik,

It is a long and complicated view, my view. Check out the topic called "Here's one for you" for more details. Though i agree that health and physical .... needs to be maintained, i have already stated inescapably clearly that I do not bodybuild, and i maintain my body just fine, alhamdulillah.

Let me make the point though, that if no pride or arrogance is present, then i lose a lot of the vigour in my argument, because then it comes into the realm of a good practise, but let me also point out, that very very very very few actually dont have pride in them at all. Also, when u start to gain this "maintained body" of yours, there is a great, great inclination to wear the most indecent clothes u can possibly find so as to show off, and again we come onto the roads of wrong. And one other point brother Sheik, if u dont mind me saying, please at least try to understand what im saying before u so openly label my points as "ridiculous":)! U may find some sense in what i say.

U know, i would have been all for a hijab for men as well :):):)!!

Everything on Earth shall surely perish, indeed our death will come. Prepare today and reap the reward tomorrow.

AmericanGirl
20th August 2004, 08:00
Salaam Yac,

you should advise your friend that going for plastic surgery is way too much, she should be happy with what Allah has given to her as far as looks are concerned. Plastic surgery is a waste of time, and it is also a waste of money, being that there is no reasoning as to why she should do it in the first place. She should be a happy with what Allah has given her.

~Allah Hafiz~

sheik
20th August 2004, 08:31
salaam,

knowledgable brother haroon, i didnt mean to state that your points are ridiculus but the whole body building is wrong thing i disagree with. I agree with arrogance being haraam, but a certain level of pride is allowed. the pride that crosses into haraam terroitory is when they think they are better than others. people need to body build to participate in sports. espcially gymnastics, and if body buidling is haraam then wouldn;t sports be haraam to, because if you win then you show pride.

salaam

AmericanGirl
20th August 2004, 09:23
Salaam Sister Mehereen,

I think you have it confused.Men and women are different. We HAVE to wear hijab, wether we like it or not.It's not optional, we are obligated to do so. That is a part of being a msulim. It is mandatory. Also, in Islam, a girl can't go out showing whatever she has, and that is where modesty falls into this category. Also, you shouldn't question the fact as to why we have to wear hijab. It is Allah that says we have to do it. So why not Shut up and do it? Pardon me, but that is how we have to deal with it. As for body building, it is okay to do it for a sport, or just to do it to stay in shape, until other wise.

sheik
20th August 2004, 10:24
salaam,

sister american girl, technically hijab is not manadatory,

sura An Nur ayat 13, this verse in the quran can be interpreted many ways. Allah does not specifically state that Hijab on woman is mandatory, a set of guidlines is given for women to follow, if hijab is nessecary then wear it. but the tradtion of hijab and its great importance came from the Prophets daughter Fatmia (a.s.) who wore the hijab. now depending on how each person interprets the ambigious verses of ther Quran, then one cannot explictcally say that is is wajib on woman. i encourage you to re read the verse and give me your thoughts also try to focus on if Allah states it clearly or not. the truth lies in His word... as far as the record goes i state that hijab is not manadtory on women. note some islamic based countries and thier society. Egypt, Jordan, sudan, etc. hijab is not mandatory there. but conserative countries like suadia arabia interpret the verse in accordance to their views thusly it is "mandatory" to them.

salaam

AmericanGirl
20th August 2004, 10:29
Salaam Brother Sheik thanx for the responce,

Well then what about Niquab? I see some women wearing it, and other don't. But I want to, What do you say??

sheik
21st August 2004, 09:45
salaam,

sister americangirl, my opinion is that hijab, niquaub, chadar, burkah, etc. are not wajib and or madatory in accordance to the QUranic verse i listed. it is up to the womans opinion or choice, i take it that you live in the USA, to you really want to segregate yourself from the other people. USA is notorious for racial profiling and harassing muslims due to the jewish run media (not a far fetched idea but reality) however if you feel that wearing such things does not affect your lifestyle or way of living then go ahead. something becomes prohibited based on how it effects your way of living. there are many examples, to name one is, will you get treated differently if you approach a stranger for directions with your head coverings off?

i strongly state that as long as a woman can present herself in a manner wear the male society doesn;t look at her sexually then it is alright. Hence the ayat 13 sura 24 that states you must wear loose clothing not nessecarily a black burka in the summer time. the purpose of a woman covering her face is becuase a womans beauty is most stunning from her face and hair, and men for some reason are easily excited propbably due to their levels of testostorne.

overall, its your choice

salaam

Ashhad4u
21st August 2004, 12:53
Salam
Mehreen ,
Sheikh haroon Bhai :)
n American girl

ur replies r 2 good


The proper definition of Hijaab can be understood from the following verse of the noble Qur’aan,
‘O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That would be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed.’


Imaam Qurtubi has mentioned the explanation of ‘cloaks’ given by Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu] in his famous Tafseer ‘Al-Jaami li bayanil Qur’aan’.

Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu] states that the cloaks should be tied or wound in such a way that only one eye remains exposed or another method would be to tie the upper portion on the brow just above the eyes and another portion above the nose just below the eyes, leaving only the two eyes exposed. (vol.14 pg.232; Darul hadith-Cairo).

i think it 'll helps n according to Haroon bhai its all upto u regarding "The way of Hijab "

JazakAlllah



Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

sheik
21st August 2004, 13:14
salaam,

try using the Quran for the actual evidence. the yusuf ali translated quran, sura an nur no. 24 ayat 13. notice it doesn;t say

"...draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That would be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed.’ "

the quran is the only source that shines light on the correct path not other random opinon based sources. sorry

salaam

Ashhad4u
21st August 2004, 13:25
Salam SHEKH

am I wrote any thing wrong ???

JAzakAllah

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

Ammar
21st August 2004, 15:00
am I wrote any thing wrong ???
did I write anything wrong? **

Ashhad4u
21st August 2004, 15:07
Salam N Sorry OMI :(

Its hard to just forget the past :)


JAzakAllah

Ashes Khan
http://allaboutislam.tk

AmericanGirl
21st August 2004, 19:51
Salaam bro. Sheik,

Firstly What you have said is true,"America is notorius for racial profiling, and harrassment, but I don't care about what the other people will say, and think due to my Islamic covering. I am certainly not doing it for them, I am doing it for Allah and myself. Hence, I can put up with their insults, and harrassments about my Islamic covering I really don't care. Mind you I wear burka and niquab I do face some "ohhhhhs and awwww"s by people, but that doesn't mean that I should stop wearing burka all because of what the other people will say.It will be my deeds that will account for me in the end.


In addition everybody is different. I am not segregating myself from other people because of the way I dress. It is a society "free of religion, free of speech" So why not use that opportunity?

~you understand~?

sheik
21st August 2004, 23:58
salaam,

sister americangirl, sure its a country for free speech and free religion, but that also means that they can do what ever they want to. i don;t know what part of the USA you live in but were i live there are alot of injustice down to arabs. i know from personal experiences. in islam if you are approched by life or death situation you have the right to do what ever is nessceary to save your life. if a crazed stranger tries threating you that if you dont remove your covering he will kill you. what will you say, " no i am not going to i will die in the name of Islam" that wrong. becuase Islam doesn;t tell you to kill yourself for a small thing as not removing hijab. the purpose of hijab is to prevent sexual intentions in men. women are beatuiful for a reason. but they shouldn;t be over arrogant with their looks and what not.

hijab surely is your choice, but try to consider your surroundings. if you were on an island with the only food source was pork. would you say "i will never eat this haraam and die in the name of islam from stravation" no wrong again, you have no choice but to eat it and save your life. However, holy war or jihad is different story, but we will never have a holy war any time soon, there aren;t any conditions for it. if there are 2.8 billion muslims in the world, who in there right mind is willing to oppress that many people. i would say, 0.

conclusivly, your choice but my cliam is that it is not wajib or manadatory to wear hijab, niqaub, burkah, etc.

salaam