Regarding 9/11!!!!

[Nadeem]

Salaam all,

Please check this out;

www.geocities.com/mknemesis/passengers.html

These lists prove that there were NO Arab or other Muslims on those planes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon on 9/11/01.

Also check this out;

www.allaahuakbar.net/us/hijack_suspects_alive_and_well.htm

This article tells us that the so-called suspects were either still alive or died years ago,and some were not even in the US at the time of 9/11.

Wasalaam.

[K-one]

Salaam all,

Please check this out;

www.geocities.com/mknemesis/passengers.html

These lists prove that there were NO Arab or other Muslims on those planes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon on 9/11/01.

Also check this out;

www.allaahuakbar.net/us/hijack_suspects_alive_and_well.htm

This article tells us that the so-called suspects were either still alive or died years ago,and some were not even in the US at the time of 9/11.

Wasalaam.

The passenger list doesn't mean much unless verifyable, a list on a free host site is just that.

The BBC have made a report "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

I think you should have quoted the BBC source as it is available.

Peace

[zAk]

plz chk : http://911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml

http://www.wifc.com/shared/terror/video.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/)

[Halima]

Salaam all,

These lists prove that there were NO Arab or other Muslims on those planes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon on 9/11/01.




Hmm Interesting, but are you talking about the hijackers or the passengers?, because the hijackers are all mostly Arabians.

[Al-Ikhwan]

i was influenced by fahrenheit 9/11
:)
wassalam

[K-one]

Hmm Interesting, but are you talking about the hijackers or the passengers?, because the hijackers are all mostly Arabians.

Just how would we know now than four of the named are alive and well as reported by the British Broadcasting Commision BBC, a very well respected international news organisation.

The BBC have made a report "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Saudi Arabians, is what the early reports were, 17 of 19, but obviously as few as 13 of 19 according to the BBC. How long before 0 of 19.?

Four more and the minority of hi jackers will be Saudi Arabians.

The hi jackers were probably passengers, I can't think of any other way it can be done, do you have some other information about that.?

Peace

[Ratatosk]

To shed some light upon the subject, take part in the 9/11 Comission Report (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf) (PDF format, 585 pages, with IE; right-click, save target as..). It's a tedious read. Informative, though.

[Nadeem]

Hmm Interesting, but are you talking about the hijackers or the passengers?, because the hijackers are all mostly Arabians.

Salaam sister,

Hijackers are passengers! Are they not? :)

K-one,I did give a link that reported the BBC findings! :)

Wasalaam.

[K-one]

Hijackers are passengers! Are they not? :)

K-one,I did give a link that reported the BBC findings! :)

Wasalaam.

My poor explaination, the original source at the BBC, not the accurate copy.
It's to do with credability, if the Government funded BBC says four of 19 hijackers are alive and well, who can dispute it.
If a site has a copy of a page that is claimed to be from the BBC, there is room for doubt. I was however agreeing that the report is the same as the BBC site.

Yes the hijackers were a subset of the passengers, unless the aircrew were hijackers. No that doesn't make sense as the aircrew wouldn't have to hijack as they were already in control of the aircraft.

Does that make sense.?


Peace

[Halima]

Salaam K-one


Yes the hijackers were a subset of the passengers, unless the aircrew were hijackers.


No, the airmen weren't the hijackers, because there were passengers that came in and attcked the crewman from the 1st place.


No that doesn't make sense as the aircrew wouldn't have to hijack as they were already in control of the aircraft. Does that make sense.?

No, it doesn't make sense, because the aircrew who were controlling the aircraft were attacked by passengers which were the hijckers themselves. As the airplane crashed into the feild, that is when the law-enforcement discovered the black box (an audio recording) and then they heard the hijackers brutally attacking the aircrew.


Anyways, there should be a resource to verify, but why do you want it specifically from BBC? Why not other resources?

[Halima]

The hi jackers were probably passengers, I can't think of any other way it can be done, do you have some other information about that.?
Peace


Here's a link that mentions the hijackers. It's not from BBC like you want, but you should give it a try.


http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm


As you notice, not all of them are Saudi, infact some of them are Eygptian; of arab descendents

[Ratatosk]

Just a thought; why is it so hard to accept that the 9/11 attack actually could be an Al Qaida operation? After all, Elvis Presley is dead, Harvey Lee Oswald did act alone, the Area 51 autopsy video is a cheesy fake, Kurt Cobain's death was a suicide, and the americans did land on the moon. I have yet to read a conspiracy theory about 9/11 that wouldn't be intellectually pitiful. The worst one yet was the 'spectacular photographic proof' about an alien civilization blasting the World Trade Center towers with 'invisible laser rays', so that humankind would 'leave the moon alone'. Crikey. The thing that is always brushed aside when reading these 'CIA-Above-Top-Secret', x-files kindergarten theories is that thousands of people were murdered that day.

[Shehbaz]

I am of the opinion, that a man be innocent until proven guilty. Therefore I was open to the fact that Osama may not have been behind the world trade centre tradegy. But now we have a confession from teh man I feel the point is moot.

Or are some people still of the belief that Osama is still working for the U.S.A so just made a statement to keep the pot boiling. Or maybe it wasn't even Osama on the tape, could have been a look a like. ;)

[K-one]

Salaam K-one

No, the airmen weren't the hijackers, because there were passengers that came in and attcked the crewman from the 1st place.


Sorry it was irony, just saying that technically you can't hijack the plane you control, and the way the are you were talking about passengers or hijackers. Same irony as the passengers have to be on the aircraft, unless anyone has another way it could be done.


Anyways, there should be a resource to verify, but why do you want it specifically from BBC? Why not other resources?

Put it back to aHadith, what is more reliable, a report of what the prophet said, or a report of the report of what the prophet said. i.e. the most weight given to the most authorative narrator. The BBC was the source, so why not link to the BBC. The other site was a copy of the report not the report, a copy could have been altered.
Just as the passenger list on a free hosting site doesn't fit my idea of evidence. Where as the same list at the CAA if it agreed with you would, and if it disagreed with you, well I'd reserve judgement.

I retract my original statement about 17 of 19 being Saudi's, but that is what was reported.

Peace brother

[K-one]

Just a thought; why is it so hard to accept that the 9/11 attack actually could be an Al Qaida operation? After all, Elvis Presley is dead, Harvey Lee Oswald did act alone, the Area 51 autopsy video is a cheesy fake, Kurt Cobain's death was a suicide, and the americans did land on the moon. I have yet to read a conspiracy theory about 9/11 that wouldn't be intellectually pitiful. The worst one yet was the 'spectacular photographic proof' about an alien civilization blasting the World Trade Center towers with 'invisible laser rays', so that humankind would 'leave the moon alone'. Crikey. The thing that is always brushed aside when reading these 'CIA-Above-Top-Secret', x-files kindergarten theories is that thousands of people were murdered that day.

Have to agree to disagree on
Kurt Cobain, his lyrics are prophetic, the investigation botched.
The Moon, "but only before the end of the decade as promised" i.e. first landing in 1970 12 not 11. Understand MAD to understand the deception.

I don't say it wasn't an Al Qaida operation, just that some of the announced details, 17 of 19 Saudi's, might need to be revised. Especially when the report comes from the British who don't have a motive to lie in favour of Al Qaida.

Peace

[K-one]

Here's a link that mentions the hijackers. It's not from BBC like you want, but you should give it a try.


http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm


As you notice, not all of them are Saudi, infact some of them are Eygptian; of arab descendents

I saw one Eygptian and several without a country specified the rest possable Saudis. National loyalties can span a generation or two in the new land, however the report was (17 of 19) in Australia. I can't pick the nationality by names.

I watched the news coverage live from about ten minutes after the first aircraft went in. I was on night shift and a the stock market ticker alerted on of my workmates to the unfolding events. So out came the TV which is normally only out for the Melbourne Cup and the Australian Open.

I don't mean to say it has to be the BBC, sorry if you thought I was saying it.
Just that for a BBC report, the best, hardest to argue with, most reliable source is the BBC. The FBI has an axe to grind, but that wouldn't be to stir up trouble with it's major oil supplier, so it's probably a bit reliable.

Peace

[Halima]

Salaam Ratatosk,



Harvey Lee Oswald did act alone,


No, in the assasination of John F.Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone. He was involved in some sort of conspiracy. However, they choose him to kill Kennedy because he would be the perfect scape-goat. Just take a look at him. He was careless about his life, he used drugs, and he moved away from his mother. The warren-commision believe that the vice-president was involved with Kenndey's assasination. The FBI have evidence to claim that the vice-president was involved,




Warren Commision(few evidence)

1)the day when Kennedy was assasinated, the vice-president was already in the White House being sworn as president.


2)During Kennedy's presidency, JFK never wanted to go into war with the Soviets. The Vice president was already making plans to go into war with the soviets.

3)JFK's assasination is very different from any other assasination. He was shot from his back, and the bullet exit his chest in a distorted angel, the proceed to enter the person sitting in front of JFK.



The Area 51 autopsy video is a cheesy fake, Kurt Cobain's death was a suicide, and the americans did land on the moon.


How would you know for sure that Americans had landed on the moon? They could've used Hollywood motion pictures and fake astronauts to play it off. It all could be a conspiracy.



I have yet to read a conspiracy theory about 9/11 that wouldn't be intellectually pitiful. The worst one yet was the 'spectacular photographic proof' about an alien civilization blasting the World Trade Center towers with 'invisible laser rays', so that humankind would 'leave the moon alone'. Crikey. The thing that is always brushed aside when reading these 'CIA-Above-Top-Secret', x-files kindergarten theories is that thousands of people were murdered that day.


Man, this really cracks me up..lol! LMAO: LMAO:

[Ratatosk]

the day when Kennedy was assasinated, the vice-president was already in the White House being sworn as president

Erm.. ..yes, that's what happens when a country's president is incapacitated one way or another. The vice president - or the next in the chain of command - is sworn in. It seems the Oliver Stone's catastrophically flawed motion picture JFK has done more damage than good, regarding public consensus about the JFK assassination.

For your convenience, dear Halima; the Warren Commission report (http://www.archives.gov/research_room/jfk/warren_commission/warren_commission_report.html). I believe chapter 6 could be of particular interest.



How would you know for sure that Americans had landed on the moon?

Ahem.., yes, ok. Have you been to NY, Halima? If you have, have you actually seen Ground Zero? Ok, if you have, how can you know that the GZ crater wasn't dug by the CIA after 9/11...? Ok, if you are the operative chief of the CIA, how can you be sure that you know everything that goes on in the agency? Ok, if you'd happen to :mad: *SHUT UP, RATATOSK!!!!* :mad:

Oops, sorry... :o

[Guest]

Oh, im quite sure that the CIA or some other top American source, did the 9/11 attacks. How else would they convince their (generally) stupid public that they were having a "crusade"?

[K-one]

Oh, im quite sure that the CIA or some other top American source, did the 9/11 attacks. How else would they convince their (generally) stupid public that they were having a "crusade"?

It wouldn't be the CIA as they have no mandate to operate in US territories, and the FBI would like to catch them doing something like that.

As for the stupid public just have a look at the unconvincing stories they believed from the Herst family newspapers. They probably even went to war on the strenght of those dubious reports, and the public sentiment they stirred up.

I remember when TV reports of the Oklahoma bombing were claiming foreign terrorists.

Peace

[Guest]

Well the FBI and CIA are not vastly different anyway. Its all one thing really isnt it? Yes i know the answer coming up, "no its not....". But think. If it is a war on Islam, as we say it is, then its one thing really. And i doubt the FBI is gona stop them.

[K-one]

Well the FBI and CIA are not vastly different anyway. Its all one thing really isnt it? Yes i know the answer coming up, "no its not....". But think. If it is a war on Islam, as we say it is, then its one thing really. And i doubt the FBI is gona stop them.

I do think there is inter firm rivalry, how far that would go to undermining the Federal administration is an interesting question.

We have been getting the Mary Hoover (J Edgar) and his boyfriend story here in the South Pacific recently, the one way gambling etc. Maybe the nancy boys might take on the CIA.

But I agree, it is shaping up as a religiously motivated war on Islam, cloaked in the veneer of stopping "Only what we say is Terror"
We never bought the crusade against the godless communists either, so it's no surprise we aren't too worried about Islam. Funny thing here is I understand that Islam is a bit anti communist.

There is a quote from WWII sorry I can't say who, my paraphrase.

When they came for the Jews I said nothing.
When they came for the communists I said nothing.
When they came for the pacifist I said nothing.
When they came for the homosexuals I said nothing.

Who will speak in my defence when they come for me.?

So even if not becoming a Muslim, I would still speak. For I have "terror" that one day they will come for me, just for what I do in this forum. That is if the emerging pattern of the US mimics the NSDAP in this respect.

Iraq is just one of seven countries on the five years plan.

Islam=surrender to God, when you have kids, you do surrender to God, the fates, whatever you want to call it.

Peace

[Guest]

Seven countries, noble K-One??:eek: Are u sure????!!!! May Allah destroy them, and bless us with the Mehdi before that time. Mark my words K-1, one day we will carry the flag of Islam through the streets of Washington DC, and the azan will be called, and we will all pray behind our khalifa, and the unity will be restored, as we shall see then what the likes of the dogs in charge now, do.

[sott]

Islam is the best religion in the world.
1.2 Billion Muslims in 43 different Islamic countries couldn't produce one good example over last few hudnred years.
How can that be?
It must be someone else's fault.

I get it....
It is the fault of the West and the Christians.
Obviously, the most of the things the West do and belief is also bad.

SOTT
[Sight of the Truth]

[K-one]

Seven countries, noble K-One??:eek: Are u sure????!!!! May Allah destroy them, and bless us with the Mehdi before that time. Mark my words K-1, one day we will carry the flag of Islam through the streets of Washington DC, and the azan will be called, and we will all pray behind our khalifa, and the unity will be restored, as we shall see then what the likes of the dogs in charge now, do.

It is reported as the plans of the planning group that most of the current whitehouse apointees were in. So no I am not sure, but it seems very likely.
Ukraine (former USSR) might make it impossable now, due to the US 2+1 (wars) policy.

Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Lybia from memory. Whatever they can manage without the muster/draft as that is run on almost democratic principles, and therefore would hurt the rich as well. They will do as much as can until they run out of poor, and foriegners to fight for them for wages. The current whitehouse has plenty of Vietnam dodgers and wouldn't be able to allow too much of it this time.

The Australian labour movement said it best calling some troops "Bob a day killers" a bob being a shilling or now twenty cents. (before the USSR was on the Allied side, after the partition of Poland).

I think Islam will succeed but by logic and wisdom, and the strenght of the arguement, and not by the gun or bomb. Force didn't work for Christianity, for the last 1400 years.

Peace


one good example over last few hudnred years.


P.S. The SOTT stuff doesn't make sence, do you think he might have posted it to the wrong thread or something, good example.? Of what.? Spelling.?

[Guest]

Ho ho! North Korea, brother k1? Now thats amusing. Well ultimately Islam will win. I look forward to the day when people wont be ashamed of hearing Allah's name on Allah's planet.

[K-one]

Ho ho! North Korea, brother k1? Now thats amusing. Well ultimately Islam will win. I look forward to the day when people wont be ashamed of hearing Allah's name on Allah's planet.

Okay so not all for religious reasons, round two in North Korea might be the toughest nut to crack. Go too far North and China will step in AGAIN.

The US will disapate it's strenght, and the worlds oil reserves in the struggle, and it's empire will fall. All empires in the past eventually have, I doubt they will be an exception.

War crimes trials for Bush and Co for waging agressive wars, bags I be a judge.

Peace

[Guest]

As Dorian Grey said in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen,

"I have lived long enough to see the future become history. Empires crumble. There are no exceptions."

[K-one]

Empires crumble. There are no exceptions."

It might pay them to remind themselves of that as they make enemies of everybody else in the world. Including those that have fought beside them, again and again.
In two world wars my nation had more war dead (per capita) than any other Commonwealth nation, for all the good it's done us. And not a shot fired in anger on our shores.


Peace