Imaam Hadhrat Shaykh Maulana Peer Haroon Sahib hafithahullaah

[Far7an]

Assalamu alaikum

Yes yes, another thread about Haroon. I am really really really really really curious, as to why he is not at least a moderator on this forum?! It's been bothering me alot, I visit this forum, and see a member who has more posts and more rep points than even the staff on the forum!

As his mureed, I demand answers! :cool:

My 100th post :D

[Ratatosk]

Wa 'alaikum assalam,

Indeed, indeed. Esteemed Haroon is a highly respected member of the community, and I am honored by his presence. Naturally, I am humbled by indeed participating in this wise community of people. All the members here have my utmost respect (even if I might not agree with some of them at times, I respect them nevertheless :o ).

There are numerous ways of 'determining', if you will, who'll be considered when the need arises for more staff. Of course, reputation or, to be frank, mere post count isn't an end-all-and-be-all 100% sure-fire thing that automatically makes a member staff. Personally, I do not find it strange at all that the staff doesn't automatically have the 'highest' reputation or post count. Au contraire, I find it a little exceptional that the staff really has gotten into the fray as much as they have. But it isn't an exact science, to be honest. There are a wide variety of traits to be considered. To be able to be dispassionate and unbiased, to treat everyone equally, to exhibit friendly manners even towards those that are against you, a healthy appetite for knowledge, a complete lack of prejudice, heart warming compassion, the ability to admit that one is wrong, and perhaps most importantly, a humble attitude. These are just some of the things that I would look for. Of course, respected Haroon has all of these traits in abundance. Strangely, in all those respects I am surely the worst of all of you. Oh, and another thing; right now we don't seem to be heavily understaffed. That is one of the reasons that the staff hasn't really needed additional hands to carry the load. When the need for such arises, new considerations will have to be made. Thank you for voicing your opinion, though. It is really appreciated.

If one would be inclined to nitpicking -- regarding the decisions of the board -- there's always this (http://forums.understanding-islam.com/community/faq.php?faq=code_of_conduct#faq_new_faq_item14). ;)

Regards,

[Roswell]

Salaam,

In my humble opinion, moderatorship slips you few things away such as freedom of speech as in you gotta be more carefull what you write, you gotta be responsible whatever you do. In fact, this forum doesnt need any moderators as in there is no law and order situation and I think the basic point for a member to be a moderator is to agree with the thoughts of UI and I don't think Haroon has certain agreements with the UI thoughts. Right Haroon?
I agree that Aaron is capable of moderatorship however, one thing I would say that hes not alone. There are several such as HLatif, Lumumba, Hamid. The actual point is to have healthy discussions which has been a unique property of this forum, unlike other ones. Never the less, If I'm asked to vote, I'll.
UI team will certainly have better answers.

Regards,

[Guest]

Salaam Farhan

Ever the brother :D, mashaAllah. JazakAllah khayr for your confidence in me, make sure you pray for me ~ however, i think Roses has summed it up. Moderators have to be well behaved, and there is no way that I am ever going to be polite to someone who creates a million accounts just to dialogue with me. Ever! So, in effect, i am not qualified, and to be honest, i do not want such a burden, it limits what one can say and binds you to maturity ~ and we all know how difficult that is for me to practice :cool:! Plus, I have also held on to loads of traditional ideas, and I would not be a good representative of this board.

Btw, have you noticed how all the mods and admins dont post, even on request? I would rather not sit on the podium - i do that enough in college ;)!

Warm Regards

[Ratatosk]

all the mods and admins dont post :confused:

Con. Fused.

[Guest]

Ratatosk, i was searching for something in the vague past, from which our relationship really started to kick off, but i noticed that there may well have been some sort of a alien invasion and an abduction of words? :)

[Ron]

Salam All,

Roswell you said:

I think the basic point for a member to be a moderator is to agree with the thoughts of UI and I don't think Haroon has certain agreements with the UI thoughts.
I just want to make it clear that agreeing with UI is not a prerequisite. No one is obligated to believe wholesale in anything. So please understand that this has nothing to do with it...I thought you knew that Roswell :)

Regards

[Far7an]

Salam All,

Roswell you said:

I just want to make it clear that agreeing with UI is not a prerequisite. No one is obligated to believe wholesale in anything. So please understand that this has nothing to do with it...I thought you knew that Roswell :)

Regards

Jazaakallahy khayr for clearing that up bro :) And to clear the other matter up, does Haroon have to be on his best behaviour at all times? If he becomes a mod? :)

[Ratatosk]

Salam Far7an,
And to clear the other matter up, does Haroon have to be on his best behaviour at all times?Are you saying he isn't? :eek:

[hamid_al-murid]

salaam haroon

:)
now: gotta say:

polite?

polite doesn't always mean nice. politeness can be a sharp sword...and indeed at times it has to be.

so if you're saying that you will never be able to act with adab with certain people, be very careful brother. this is like saying you will never be able to deeply live out the wishes of our Lord and Sustainer, and none of us can know that. all we can do is always intend the best, pray to learn more, and make tawbah for the remainder.

and my prayer is that all of us are always learning more deeply how to be in the adab, with ourselves and each other and Allah, because in a way this is the whole of the religion; the true test of knowledge is in how it is applied.

as far as maturity goes, i have to say that for being so young you exhibit a whole heckuva lot of it. yeah, you get a little worked up sometimes, and of course we all tend to want our faults to be covered; but in the short time that i've known you, you seem to have grown quite a bit. your heart simply carries more light. is this not true?


wa-s-salaam
hamid :shiny:

[vinod]

Salam Haroon


Ever! So, in effect, i am not qualified, and to be honest, i do not want such a burden, it limits what one can say and binds you to maturity ~ and we all know how difficult that is for me to practice !

Oh Yeah. Just look at my recent posts to Izaaree. I've had to bite the dust for my sarcastic attacks on him. They tell you that moderation is a responsibility that puts a burden on you.


Plus, I have also held on to loads of traditional ideas, and I would not be a good representative of this board.

Haroon, note that Aasem Bhai is a moderator who also subscribes to traditional views like you. Aasem Bhai and Ron disagree on numerous issues like as if they are sworn enemies. Obviously there's a lot other things (listed by Ratatosk) to being a moderator than the views that one has.

I personally believe that there are individuals like lumumba, hlatif (nobody beats this guy), hamid and Umar who have demonstrated far better qualities and depth of knowledge than me on the forum. It's just that there is an abundance of riches (that's not a complaint) on the forum and not enough vacancies on the moderating panel. What I know for sure is that if ever one of the moderators decide to take a long break there won't be a problem hiring one from the pool of members that is there.

By the way, 99.99999% of the time a moderator does nothing other than what a member does. You can moderate a discussion even while being a member. Also, as a moderator, you'll have to do some dumb tasks like moving posts to their appropriate fora, deleting posts that other members repeat, locking threads that are a repeat discussion, advising members on avatars and some forum technicalitites - all boring stuff. OK, the only true privilege that a moderator gets is to ban a member and see the rep points (along with the comments) of other members. The b-bomb is probably what makes a moderator a MODERATOR. But that is seldom used. The real contribution that a moderator can make is to actually moderate a discussion and that is something which any member can do. One other contribution is in the suggestions that are provided to improve the forum. In that also lies the second leg of real moderation. I've seen every one of us do that to different extents.

Was-salam

[Roswell]

Salam All,

Roswell you said:

I just want to make it clear that agreeing with UI is not a prerequisite. No one is obligated to believe wholesale in anything. So please understand that this has nothing to do with it...I thought you knew that Roswell :)

Regards

I didn't know that! How come do I suppose to know that? therefore I used 'I think'. :brow:
Thanks for the clarification.

[Guest]

Salaam All

Such long posts in my honour? Im honoured :cool:. But do remember, I didnt ask for the *boring* job!

:angelic: :36_6_7: :36_1_18: :36_6_6: :36_2_76: :36_6_4: :8_1_211:

Btw, you have loads of cool smilies!

[MF]

Haroon would not have put ICONOLAST on a global ignore right lol

[Far7an]

Come on Haroon! Show some enthusiasm. If you get the job, you'll be granted access to Area 51, otherwise known as the Mod's Forum. ;)

[Osman]

Salaam,

Yeah Haroon! We all know you want to see the moderator's forum! We have proof (http://forums.understanding-islam.org/community/showthread.php?p=46086#post46086)!

But why is it called Area 51? Is that classified information? :eek:

[Guest]

Salaam

Yeah, well that would be more out of curiosity than anything else, I hear it isnt all that to see, but then again.. :evul:!

It's called Area 51 because it holds all the secrets on how to take the members of this forum to Guantanamo Bay based on useless information:).

Regards

[Roswell]

It's called Area 51

Incorrect. :brow:

[Far7an]

Another bonus is, you get to see all the people who left you feedback :D