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Ramsey
1st November 2005, 16:59
I have seen this site "http://www.studying-islam.org" recommended by one of the members here.
I wonder if anyone here can give me their opinion about the site. Is it educational? Accurate? Do they encourage discussion or do they prefer that you simply accept what they say?
Do you know any other sites that educate one about Islam?
asim2
2nd November 2005, 06:05
I have given links to many useful Islamic web sites which will give you plenty of material to study Islam.
Many contemporary views presented in these courses on studying-islam is for me hard to accept as in my opinion our noble predecessors (scholars) weren't goofs that they were all wrong and this contemporary view presented here is right. So I am cautious to accept a view that is different from so many Muslim scholars going on from centuries and that isn't given worldwide acceptance by a considerable amount of Muslims.
For example I believe in the return of Jesus (pbuh) and plenty of evidence is available on www.jesuswillreturn.com and the book "Jesus (pbuh) did not die by" www.harunyahya.com but the view presented by studying-islam is different and to me unacceptable. Similarly Dr. Zakir Naik who has been given worldwide acceptance by so many Muslims presents a different view than the one presented in the contemporary views.
These are my comments about the site only.
this forum of understanding-islam is linked to studying-islam in my opinion and so are renaissance and al-mawrid.
Ron
2nd November 2005, 06:18
Salam Ramsey,
The courses are good, I recommend them. The point is not to accept what is taught but to think thoroughly through the material. The good thing is that they provide the classical views and never ever do they refer to that scholarship as being a "goof." They have the utmost respect for the scholars and use them consistently as references.
We've had long discussions about Mr. Harun Yahya: http://www.forums.understanding-islam.org/community/showthread.php?t=2067
Regards
asim2
2nd November 2005, 06:31
www.HarunYahya.com is one of the most popular Islamic web sites today. I have been visiting and utilizing it for about 3 years. The monthly visits to this web site sometimes reach as high as 200000. Masha'ALLAH all meterial available on the web site is freely downloadable. You should download and view the videos "The truth of life of this world", "The secret of the test", "Never Forget", "Answers from the Qur'an 1,2,3" , "Names of ALLAH", "Miracles of the Qur'an" and many more available there and see for yourself why I am referring to www.HarunYahya.com and why Harun Yahya is one of the most popular scholars today.
The forum referred by the administrator in the above post is biased. Why read the comments by someone about Harun Yahya who doesn't even know the spelling of Harun Yahya when you can read more than 20 web sites by Harun Yahya to see for yourself what Harun Yahya has to say.
I would recommend that instead of believing what the above forum says, you should rather check yourself www.HarunYahya.com and compare the teachings presented there to studying-islam . Also check the web site of Dr. Zakir Naik www.irf.net and compare its teachings to studying-islam .
Ron
2nd November 2005, 07:38
Asim2,
Let us not go the disparaging route. We had a discussion on Mr. Harun Yahya and every member has the right to formulate their own opinion if they just read the material. As for spelling errors, they really have little to do with the content. Here's an example of what I mean:
It is a common habbit of aetheists that they ask all the questions about your religion and when time comes for them to answer they say they don't know.
That was written by you on 13-10-2005, 17:02 on the "Evolutıon????" thread Posted By asim2. The underlined are obvious spelling errors and the bolded word is a grammatical error. Should we assume that you don't know the subject you're commenting upon because of these or should we read your post to understand your position?
Lastly, you claim the Mr. Harun Yahya is a scholar, yet he went to college for Fine Arts and there's no mention of a degree. When I asked you (and others) to help with finding his qualifications no one did. If you appreciate Mr. Yahya's writings so be it but why should not others make their own judgments on his and other's works?
I think comparing is sound advice from Asim2, I hope you'll indulge.
Regards
asim2
2nd November 2005, 08:11
I was not claiming to be a master of English but you were starting an entire thread against a scholar like Harun Yahya and wrote the name wrong, not 1 but both Harun and Yahya :lol: . i.e when you started the thread you didn't even know the spelling of Harun Yahya. And of course when you bring out of context quatations from his web sites you can fool some people sometimes. But they should read the web site themselves and verify for themselves that when a web site administrator gets personal with a scholar, what impression does a visitor get and how true are those claims .
What Islamic qualifications studying-islam, understanding-islam , renaissance and al-mawrid scholars have .
What Islamic qualification do you have that you are the administrator of this forum.
Ok, if you have a problem with Harun Yahya , I have other great scholars' information. You can use other scholars as well.
Dr. Zakir Naik , a Medical Doctor by qualification will you ask the Muslims to ask him to bring his Islamic qualification but Muslims accept and appreciate his Islamic teachings and debates. www.irf.net and www.aswatalislam.net can be used to access his material. Dr. zakir naik is also one of my favourite scholars.
Sheikh Ahmed Deedat , would you also not call him a scholar. What Islamic qualifications does he have . But he is one of my favourite scholars and Muslims worldwide like his teachings and debates. www.aswatalislam.net and
www.ahmed-deedat.co.za
Dr. Israr Ahmad , one of the most popular scholars in Pakistan , listen to his lectures on translation and explanation of the Qur'an on
www.tanzeem.org/broadcast/audio
www.scholaris.com
www.aswatalislam.net
And many more scholars can be provided if you have a problem with these too....
Now since you are not accepting Harun Yahya as a scholar, bring the Islamic qualifications of Mr. Ghamidi or any studying-islam or understanding-islam people .
yes
compare studying-islam teachings to Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim .
Compare studying-islam teachings to Dr. Zakir Naik's teachings
Compare studying-islam teachings to Ahmed Deedat's teachings
Compare studying-islam teachings to Dr. Israr Ahmad's teachings
Compare studying-islam teachings to the classical views but not the very brief versions presented in those courses.
Compare studying-islam teachings to Harun Yahya's teachings
Ron
2nd November 2005, 14:29
Asim2,
I was not claiming to be a master of English but you were starting an entire thread against a scholar like Harun Yahya and wrote the name wrong, not 1 but both Harun and Yahya . i.e when you started the thread you didn't even know the spelling of Harun Yahya.
It's not that I didn't know how to spell his name, it's that I misspelled it. While you allow yourself the freedom to make mistakes you make fun of others for simpler errors that have nothing to do with the content. I don't think that knowing how to spell a person's name really matters much. Besides, I've corrected it so this is a moot point and the only reason you're hanging onto it is because it's all you have. You'll probably mention it again because you think it's witty, but it really is just the opposite.
And of course when you bring out of context quatations from his web sites you can fool some people sometimes. But they should read the web site themselves and verify for themselves that when a web site administrator gets personal with a scholar, what impression does a visitor get and how true are those claims .
Either you did not understand my post or you're misrepresenting the truth. While everyone could read what I wrote and decide if I did do such a thing; I want you to show me, if you don't back your words up then there's nothing for me to say. I'm sure you understand the gravity of accusing someone of something he didn't do. So if you are honest you will show it.
What Islamic qualifications studying-islam, understanding-islam , renaissance and al-mawrid scholars have .
Go to each of these websites and they'll tell you. Instead of deflecting the question of Mr. Harun's qualification try answering. Of course you can't because you don't know, so instead of answering you ask what other's qualifications are.
What Islamic qualification do you have that you are the administrator of this forum.
I don't think you realize that to be an admin of a forum, Islamic or otherwise, you don't have to have qualifications in a particular subject. Anyone could start a forum. Do you ask yourself what qualifications you have for posting?
Ok, if you have a problem with Harun Yahya , I have other great scholars' information. You can use other scholars as well.
I don't have a problem with Mr. Yahya. Maybe if you read a little more carefully you would realize this very important point.
compare studying-islam teachings to Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim
This is a very silly remark. Obviously you don't realize the context of such a statement. I'll just leave at that.
Compare studying-islam teachings to Dr. Zakir Naik's teachings
Dr. Naik is a comparative polemicist, there's nothing to compare.
Compare studying-islam teachings to Ahmed Deedat's teachings
Same as above.
Compare studying-islam teachings to Dr. Israr Ahmad's teachings
Maybe you weren't aware but Dr. Israr and Mr. Javid Ghamidi do a show together that airs on tv.
Compare studying-islam teachings to the classical views but not the very brief versions presented in those courses.
Sure do so, please.
Compare studying-islam teachings to Harun Yahya's teachings
Yet again, please do so.
Regards
asim2
3rd November 2005, 05:04
No, that spelling mistake to me is not any ordinary spelling mistake, i.e. if you had read any of his material you should have known the spelling right. You started a thread against him , then one doubts did this person start a thread without even knowing the name of the person who he is talking against.
You are linked to those web sites, you tell me their qualifications.
Ok, atleast tell Mr. Moiz's (Understanding-islam's main person) Islamic qualification, why should I ask, I know any Islamic university should atleast teach the authentic aHadith about Jesus (pbuh) return and if your people doubt those ahadith, I don't know which Islamic university in the world tought them Islam . And you are assuming about Harun Yahya , you ask yourself, but to me the question is irrelevant as a degree in art is different and not needed for a person to teach Islam.
Are you jealous of Harun Yahya that he is getting 200000 visitors ?
Have you ever seen the works by Harun Yahya ?
OK you produce your version for each and every book, audio, presentation, flash movie, movies, web sites, and then talk.
What are you doing here creating doubts about well grounded Islamic beliefs.
The administrator of understanding-islam doesn't have an Islamic qualification???
Mispelling a name to me is a big issue but I am not hanging on to it , I made a very relevant point. If you really analyzed Harun Yahya's works, atleast you should have known the spelling right. That's what I mean.
Ok you collect all you web sites together studying-islam, understanding-islam, al-mawrid, renaissance and produce 10 documentarioes like Harun Yahya and upload them for all to see what you got and claim that whether they are better or Harun Yahya's documentaries are better.
You try and convince 200000 visitors to visit your web sites every month.
asim2
3rd November 2005, 05:19
The name issue, may be I went too far, but you didn't convince me that why for so long you wrote the name wrong. I will leave that issue here.
I would not recommend studying-islam course.
Infact I would Insha'ALLAH ! never even refer to one of those web sites of studying-islam, understanding-islam, al-mawrid, or renaissance etc...
But its just my opinion , you can check them out as mentioned above for, maybe after comparison you would find out why ?
asim2
3rd November 2005, 05:27
Bring the Islamic qualification of your teams.
If you want us to ask ourselves mention their e-mail adresses here, so that those interested in studying from them can ask their qualifications themselves.
Sorry, if any of my posts hurt you or any body else. We are still Muslim brothers.
asim2
3rd November 2005, 05:46
The Global Impact of Harun Yahya's Works
Each of HARUN YAHYA's more than 200 publications on matters of science, faith and politics can change the way a person looks at the world. His scientific books demonstrating the proofs of creation to be seen in the universe, his works about Islamic moral values composed with reference to the verses of the Qur'an, and his political books that expose the hidden side of historical events and propose peaceful solutions to contemporary problems have addressed millions of people of every nation, language and religion. These works have stimulated a wide response throughout the world.
Harun Yahya writes for solely spreading the message of the Qur'an to the whole world and for reminding people about matters of faith, such as the existence of God and and our duties to Him. Thus, he aims to make his work easily accessible to everyone. With this purpose in mind, Internet sites such as this, have been launched that render a great service to thousands of people every day. On these sites, the more than 190 books written by Harun Yahya, complete with their full texts and illustrations, are available free of charge to visitors, in addition to documentaries and audio narrations. This is a service rarely found on the Internet.
The message of Harun Yahya is now widespread all around the world. Whether in America, Britain, Russia, Kazakhstan, South Africa, Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, France, Nigeria, Canada or Lebanon, you can find books by Harun Yahya in in bookstores or his articles in magazines and newspapers. Documentaries and audio narrations based on Harun Yahya's works, which are broadcast on many radio and television stations, have also aroused great interest throughout the globe.
The works of Harun Yahya have been translated into French, German, Italian, Russian, Albanian, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, Serbo-Croat, Indonesian, Malay, Urdu, Estonian, Arabic, Swahili and Bengali, and further translations into many other languages are on the way. The purpose of this effort is to distribute all these books throughout the world in order to inform all people of the existence of God, the true morality of Islam, the existence of the hereafter and the fallacy of atheistic theories such as Darwinism.
Articles by Harun Yahya Published in Worldwide Media
www.harunyahya.com/m_articles_published.php
Other websites publishing Harun Yahya works
www.harunyahya.com/m_worldwide_websites_publishing.php
Websites linked to HarunYahya.com
www.harunyahya.com/m_worldwide_websites_linked.php
Worldwide TV Channels That Broadcast The Harun Yahya Documentary Films
www.harunyahya.com/m_ordering_tv_films.php
The Impact of the Conferences Based on the Works of Harun Yahya
www.harunyahya.com/m_conferences.php
Other Activities Based on Harun Yahya's Works
www.harunyahya.com/m_news.php
The book "Global Impact of the Works of Harun Yahya"
www.harunyahya.com/global.php
So brothers you can either trust all these , or stick to Ron's thread. The choice is yours !
Ron
3rd November 2005, 14:55
Asim2,
No, that spelling mistake to me is not any ordinary spelling mistake, i.e. if you had read any of his material you should have known the spelling right.
Yes indeed, it was an extraodinary spelling error. Thanks for pointing it out.
You started a thread against him , then one doubts did this person start a thread without even knowing the name of the person who he is talking against.
I think you should be more honest. To accuse me of something like that you should be able to back it up. I wrote clearly what my intentions were; and that was to understand why some people felt attracted to his writings. So when you're done with your presumptions do take the time to read the forum and don't just go by titles and spelling errors to form and base your opinion upon.
You are linked to those web sites, you tell me their qualifications.
Are you "linked" to Harun Yahya?
Ok, atleast tell Mr. Moiz's (Understanding-islam's main person) Islamic qualification, why should I ask, I know any Islamic university should atleast teach the authentic aHadith about Jesus (pbuh) return and if your people doubt those ahadith, I don't know which Islamic university in the world tought them Islam . And you are assuming about Harun Yahya , you ask yourself, but to me the question is irrelevant as a degree in art is different and not needed for a person to teach Islam.
Why don't you take the time and read his qualifications. Then show us this "doubt." Then show us our understanding and the other scholar's understanding. Then show us what is right and what is wrong. You don't even know if Harun Yahya even has a degree in the arts. Besides who questioned his Islamic "teachings?" The questions were about his writings in general but the scientific ones in specific.
Are you jealous of Harun Yahya that he is getting 200000 visitors ?
Please don't waste your intellect on such childish comments. If he is teaching correctly may God give him billions of visitors. Stay away from nonsense comments like this, they really don't make a case for you one way or the other.
Have you ever seen the works by Harun Yahya ?
How could you ask me such a question when you've accused me of taking his writings out of context. Are you not sure about what you're writing?
OK you produce your version for each and every book, audio, presentation, flash movie, movies, web sites, and then talk.
I'm not or a physicist, or a geologist, or a molecular biologist, or an anthropologist, or a chemist, or a mathematician, or a geneticist, or a biochemist etc... Nor do I have the qualifications. So the short answer is no. When you can figure out how Harun Yahya has qualifications to not only discuss these matters but argue well established sciences then we can further this discussion along. By the way, surely you don't believe he's doing all this by himself? Who are the people behind him?
The administrator of understanding-islam doesn't have an Islamic qualification???
Yet again an error in facts. I'm not the "administrator of understanding-islam." Do some resereach and you'll find your answers.
Mispelling a name to me is a big issue but I am not hanging on to it , I made a very relevant point. If you really analyzed Harun Yahya's works, atleast you should have known the spelling right. That's what I mean.
You have no argument. You have nothing to say, that's why in two different forums you parroted my spelling mistake. We all know I made a spelling mistake. You have nothing else, so you're hung up on it. Move on.
Ok you collect all you web sites together studying-islam, understanding-islam, al-mawrid, renaissance and produce 10 documentarioes like Harun Yahya and upload them for all to see what you got and claim that whether they are better or Harun Yahya's documentaries are better.
How about you give us the money and I promise I'll produce as many as you want.
You try and convince 200000 visitors to visit your web sites every month.
Insha'Allah I will.
Regards
Ron
3rd November 2005, 15:20
Asim2,
The name issue, may be I went too far, but you didn't convince me that why for so long you wrote the name wrong. I will leave that issue here.
If you had read my posts you would have seen that I didn't spell his name wrong other than the title, which I fixed. So all this time you've accused me of something I didn't do. Yes, please let's stop.
I would not recommend studying-islam course.
Ok, it's not for you fine. Thanks for stating so.
Infact I would Insha'ALLAH ! never even refer to one of those web sites of studying-islam, understanding-islam, al-mawrid, or renaissance etc...
You won't recommend them but you're here?
I suggest we leave it at where it is. The brother asked a simple question you replied that you didn't recommend it and I answered that I did. It should have been left at that not this long uncalled for discussion about personalities.
Regards
ilyas
3rd November 2005, 20:06
Salaam
I would not recommend studying-islam course.
Perhaps you would like to explain why you do not reccomend studying-islam?
I have looked at the contents of the courses and I can't see whats wrong with them
Ramsey
3rd November 2005, 22:46
Salaam
Perhaps you would like to explain why you do not reccomend studying-islam?
I have looked at the contents of the courses and I can't see whats wrong with them
I wouldn't mind hearing your reasoning either.
asim2
4th November 2005, 04:05
Am I allowed to quote the contents of their courses in this thread ?
Get permission from studying-islam so that I can quote their statements from their courses here !
Tell me when I am allowed to quote their statements as I wish.
I will then quote and comment.
Ron
4th November 2005, 04:10
Asim2,
You may post them.
Regards
asim2
4th November 2005, 13:47
I won't do any backbiting (when the one being talked about is neither present nor can defend himself) here. I also make posts on studying-islam threads (mostly my Islamic web site reviews) . You can discuss the courses there with others who have taken them when the studying-islam team as my respected Muslim brothers will be given the complete oppurtunity of justifying and defending themselves. I didn't like the attitude against my Muslim Brother and respected scholar Harun Yahya but ALLAH is watching everything and HE is sufficient as a witness and Helper . The rights of slaves Haquq-ul-ibad are important and should not be ignored.
Please read Surah Hujrat to be careful in the future.
I have already wasted some precious time discussing various matters here. I won't discuss much as I should spend the limited free time I get for Islamic study and research and by that I mean Qur'an, The Sunnah, and The Hadith.
there are many differences of opinion and that's why I don't recommend their sites.
Here is 1 difference of opinion.
Please read completely my evidence.
The return of Prophet Jesus (pbuh)
I believe in the return of Propphet Jesus (pbuh) and so do the majority of Muslims through the ages.
Here is the evidence by Harun Yahya.
Evidence from Arabic, The Qur'an and Authentic Hadith
www.jesuswillreturn.com
Jesus (pbuh) did not die (more evidence)
www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/did_not_die/jesus_did_not_die_01.php
The signs of Jesus' (pbuh) second coming
www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/secondcoming/secondcoming.php
I respect the authentic Hadith.
The Hadith scholars were blessed individuals who spent their lives collecting and then grading the Hadith.
Here is a web sites providing some evidence for Hadith scholars Bukhari, Muslim and Muwatta etc.. and Hadith
www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/
please read the articles about the Hadith there with an unbiased mind.
and lastly I believe that the Sunnah is a comprehensive field covering almost all aspects of life . Prophet Muhammad (ALLAH's Mercy, Blessings and peace be upon him) is our Role Model.
I may not post much, the only reason for not posting is that I want to utilize my time in positive activities and I don't want to spend it in negative activities criticizing other scholars or schools of thought or defending scholars.
My Islamic web site reviews will Insha'ALLAH continue for those that might be interested in my reviews .
I end with the Ayaat translations from the Qur'an in respect of Prophet Muhammad (ALLAH's Mercy, Blessings and peace be upon him)
Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah. If anyone turns away, we did not send you to them as their keeper. (4:80)
No, by your Lord, they are not believers until they make you their judge in the disputes that break out between them, and then find no resistance within themselves to what you decide and submit themselves completely. (4:65)
You who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in command among you. If you have a dispute about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result. (4:59)
You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (33:21)
Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (3:164)
You will not find people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having love for anyone who opposes Allah and His Messenger, though they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers or their clan. Allah has inscribed faith upon such people’s hearts and will reinforce them with a Spirit from Him and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing under them, remaining in them timelessly, for ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Such people are the party of Allah. Truly it is the party of Allah who are successful. (58:22)
(ALLAH's Mercy, Blessings and peace be upon him)
Translations taken from An Index to the Qur'an by www.harunyahya.com
More regards to the Sunnah :
www.harunyahya.com/articles/honored_sunnah.php
ALLAH Haafiz !
May we discuss again sometime in the future.
:bigcool:
But your attitude against a scholar has disappointed me.
Ron
4th November 2005, 15:08
Asim2,
Where's the comparison? It would not be "backbiting" if you place two views before us and show us why one is right and why the other is wrong. So please proceed as to why you do not recommend the www.studying-islam.org site.
Regards
Ramsey
4th November 2005, 20:20
Am I allowed to quote the contents of their courses in this thread ?
Get permission from studying-islam so that I can quote their statements from their courses here !
Tell me when I am allowed to quote their statements as I wish.
I will then quote and comment.
Why did you ask permission to quote them and then not mention them in your next post? At all?
I have already wasted some precious time discussing various matters here. I won't discuss much as I should spend the limited free time I get for Islamic study and research and by that I mean Qur'an, The Sunnah, and The Hadith.
But by giving honest opinion here you are helping other Muslims. This is an act of worship. Isn't that worth a moment of your time?
Dhahabi
5th November 2005, 17:22
Assalamu alaikum
www.HarunYahya.com is one of the most popular Islamic web sites today. I have been visiting and utilizing it for about 3 years. The monthly visits to this web site sometimes reach as high as 200000. Masha'ALLAH all meterial available on the web site is freely downloadable. You should download and view the videos "The truth of life of this world", "The secret of the test", "Never Forget", "Answers from the Qur'an 1,2,3" , "Names of ALLAH", "Miracles of the Qur'an" and many more available there and see for yourself why I am referring to www.HarunYahya.com and why Harun Yahya is one of the most popular scholars today.
Who told you that Harun Yahya is a scholar of islam or even a reliable student of knowledge?
Frankly i was amazed by your posts before now but today eevery thing you say seems to be greek to me.
Eventhough i agree with you to a point i must say that the word 'popular' has nothing to do with the truth in islam. nor do emotions lead to the truth.
Brother how dare on earth can you consider someone a scholar and yet they totally ignore arabic. Nor do they refer to the prophet MUhammad sallal Allaahu alaihi wa sallam.
How someone who promote agnosticism under the guise of pseudo-science proofs can be reliable and not criticised in order to enlighten people in regards to his heresies.
Honestly i don't think you have already read the following threads:
http://forums.understanding-islam.org/community/showthread.php?t=915&highlight=harun+yahya
http://forums.understanding-islam.org/community/showthread.php?t=2067&highlight=harun+yahya
The forum referred by the administrator in the above post is biased. Why read the comments by someone about Harun Yahya who doesn't even know the spelling of Harun Yahya when you can read more than 20 web sites by Harun Yahya to see for yourself what Harun Yahya has to say.
Once again the burden of proof is upon you. Unless you didn't how grave are the mistakes of Harun Yahya in regards to aquidah. I don't think you are going to tell me that aquidah is not important.
The ideology of Harun Yahya turns around three concepts: timelessness, aspaciality, and immateriality of the world. It is around these three concepts that Harun Yahya developed all the subjects, spread out over tens of books which can extremely well hold in only one volume and which personally I would not advise Muslims to give importance to his writings for the following reasons:
1. Harun Yahya does not refer to any word of the Prophet sallal Allahu alihi wa sallam.
2. He abounds in the whimsical interpretation of the Qur’anic verses, being unaware of what was the opinion of our predecessors and the Companions of the Prophet sallal Allaahu alaihi wa sallam.
3. He is unaware of, without any doubt, all fundamentals of the Arabic language as well as its rules and its prowess’s.
4. He is a follower (non-forged) of Bertrand Russel and Barclay [like many contemporary shiah do today]. He often referred without having there the capacity to distinguish the fundamental divergences between their philosophy and Islam.
I would recommend that instead of believing what the above forum says, you should rather check yourself www.HarunYahya.com and compare the teachings presented there to studying-islam . Also check the web site of Dr. Zakir Naik www.irf.net and compare its teachings to studying-islam .
I would recommend that instead of referring to other scholars or so-called scholars' mistakes you should rather stick to the topic and try to find a remedy for the problem.
May Allaah the Merciful the Compassionate forgive us
Dhahabi
5th November 2005, 17:29
Asim2,
Where's the comparison? It would not be "backbiting" if you place two views before us and show us why one is right and why the other is wrong. So please proceed as to why you do not recommend the www.studying-islam.org site.
Regards
I would be glad to know the other side of the truth too!
regards
Dhahabi
5th November 2005, 17:45
Assalamau alaikum
More regards to the Sunnah :
www.harunyahya.com/articles/honored_sunnah.php
Alhamdullillah this is to be praised. However, such aquidah has not been put into practice when explaining the holy qur'an or when promoting Russel Bertrand's philosophy.
But your attitude against a scholar has disappointed me.
The stance of Ron is to be praised since he never backbitten your unknown so-called scholar.
May Allaah forgive us
Ramsey
8th November 2005, 07:37
Hmm, this thread reminds me of this time years ago, when I was a Sheik on the internet. People asked me many questions about religion and I tried to answer them all to the best of my knowledge.
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