What did Tony Blair mean???

[Nadeem]

Salaam all,

I have been thinking about what Tony Blair recently said but can't quite understand what he meant when he blurted:

"The rules of the game are changing......if they come to our country they must play by our rules,our way of life or they will be sent back".:confused:

What does he mean when he says our(British?) way of life??:confused: :)

Wasalaam.

[Shehbaz]

He means stop bad mouthing their way of life and learn to live with it rather than telling the youth to go take liberties against the country in which they reside.

[ilyas]

Too many people getting brainwashed these days, you can't hate the whole of the civilisation

[Guest]

I agree with Nadeem. These guys to talk a load of rubbish, but often you can read between their words, and see that they mean something else. The Queen said in her last speech "they will not destroy our values".. well, sorry to burst your bubble Queenie, but your values are more non-values than anything else. Their values are low and disgraceful. On Allah's planet, you wouldnt know half of the indecencies these people commit, and say that these are their values. Islam is here to destroy all values that are against God, against truth, against justice, against morality, against decency. Anyone want to challenge that, bring it on.

[Flamous]

Salaam.


"they will not destroy our values"..

Then what's happening with the Muslim Ummah's values? How come we have to give up our values because of what happened?

Oh, sorry Queen! Were you implying YOUR values?

I sincerely apologise....NOT! :hammerhea

I quote to you all from a BRILLIANT Jumu'ah Khutbah delivered by a very enthusiastic Brother, which I and another friend attended:


The Kuffar will 'Blow' at us and we will all say "sorry, sorry..."


They're probably all here in our Mosque, pretending to be Muslims, and writing things down in their little notebooks, and then they will take it back to start calling us Terrorists...


Let them shoot me, stab me, chop my head off, but the Truth is the Truth!

Absolutely, this is what the Muslim Ummah is coming to - they can't stand up for their religion, God's Way of Life. :(

[MF]

"The rules of the game are changing......if they come to our country they must play by our rules,our way of life or they will be sent back".:confused:

What does he mean when he says our(British?) way of life??:confused: :)



maybe he means that immigrants need to intergrate, learn to speak the language (english) and be a part of the community, not that it is going to solve his terrorist problem because the ones committing the bombings were no intergration faillures.

[Nadeem]

Salaam all,

Many thanks for your replies but we are still unclear about what he really meant!:cool:
It reminds me of when Bush used the term "crusade" almost 4 years ago.

The question I am asking is what exactly is their(British) "way of life"?:confused:
I think he deliberately used the term that best describes our religion and probably meant that he wants Muslim immigrants to abandon the Islamic way for the British way.:cool:

Just like Bush deliberately used the term "crusade" while addressing people from the Muslim world.:)

Wasalaam.

[newsX]

Here's a long shot, but what the heck:

Those who want to plant terror on british soil should stay out.

Those who stick to the Islamic fundamentals of toleration and love of peace can stay in.

ta-daaaa!

[syedhs]

Salam Nadeem,

I may be wrong.. but to me.. Blair has been quite good dealing with bombing tragedy compared to say... ahaa you got it GWB!

For me, GWB is mean.. he knows what he want, and go for it irregardless of anything else. Blair is simply the second man+follower.. most probably he went together with GWB in Iraqi war campaign because he doesn't want Britain to be left out of the 'significant moments'. Britain may want to regain the 'top spot' it once attained.. but USA is an obvious winner nowadays.

[Shehbaz]

News x has hit the correct on the head with a hammer.

[Nadeem]

Salaam Shehbaz,

Why didn't he use the right words for what he meant then?:cool:

Why say things like "they must play by our rules,our way of life" when he should have said "those who want to commit acts of terror should stay out and those who are peaceful can stay"?
I still want to find out what he meant by "our way of life".:)

Wasalaam.

[Assimilator]

Talking about sweating the small stuff, geez.

Why do you all have to pick apart every darn thing stupid politicans say? They say what people want to hear. The British lifestyle and way of life has not been to have people(other than the Irish) going around blowing things up. Like everyone else, including us in the ugly Dubya country, want to live in peace and be able to go around without fear. If you look around, at least the message that the media gives us, is that the west is more pacifist than the muslim countries. That small handful of muslim troublemakers, has done a world of hurt on the Islamic image in the world, with little effort.

Screaming and yelling about death to America, killing their own for being 'sympathizers', blowing up this and that, heck, what else should we think. Since all these are done by Arabs or arab types, it makes us sterotype and walk on the other side of the road when we see some dark skined youth with a long unshaven beard walking on the street. A bit extreme, but awhile after 9/11, all Arab types were untrusted. I flew on an airplane the day after 9/11, and there were some Arabs on the plane(at least looking), it was a night flight, and every other person on the plane was sleeping with one eye open watching them when they got up to go to the bathroom. Myself included.
(this issue has been worn out on more than one thread so dont even bother replying with; "prove they were Muslims stuff." I have my own opinion, you have yours).

Not so much anymore as people and myself realized this was just a bad, and growing group of bad apples, not all billion plus of you. But if it was reversed, and a bunch of gringos were crashing planes into Mosques, yelling Death to Islam, you might be a bit distrusftul of us also.

Sadly a lot of sterotyping happened, is happening, and will still happen. Myself included.

But I think someone simply said, if you dont like it, simply pack up and leave. No one is forcing you to live here. Britain is a free country as the Us, and troublemakers are not welcome. Heck why do you think the US jails are so full? Bad people are not liked ANYWHERE!

[Guest]

Greetings and the Peace of God be to you, always welcome, Assimilator.


Sadly a lot of sterotyping happened, is happening, and will still happen. Myself included.Perhaps i am being a bit too reliant on the great power that the humans hold between their ears, but dont you realise that stereotyping is exactly what the clowns on both sides want? The losers in the Ummah want us all to look down on everyone who isnt a Muslim, and the losers in the West want us all to look down on everyone who is an obvious Muslim. If we really are strong of heart, and true with our faith in the Most Gracious Lord of ours, then we need to show our mettle, not in casting doubts on each other, but by holding on even harder. Heck, if you went to give a suicide bomber on a plane, a really brotherly hug, chances are he'll abandon his mission. Dont you get it yet? To combat ALL evil, we need to show complete, unending, everlasting love and respect to each and every being on this planet.

SubhanAllah, dont you think that we should realise that everyone loves to be loved. I mean, dont you? Dont you enjoy it when a complete stranger on the street gives you a smile? Well, these are the kind of feelings we need to enhance my friend. Becoming savages and striking out each other is not going to make things better, all it'll do is make them a lot worse.

So come on Assimilator, how about i start off by setting an example?

:hug:

Warm wishes. May God help you to reach out to everyone you meet.

[Nadeem]

Why do you all have to pick apart every darn thing stupid politicans say? They say what people want to hear. The British lifestyle and way of life has not been to have people(other than the Irish) going around blowing things up.


Hi there,

I think most people didn't want to hear those exact words the way he said them.:cool:
The British way used to involve burning down villages and killing many innocent people in Scotland,Wales,Northern Ireland,India and many other countries.:cool:
Why do you think everybody including America fought for independence and kicked them out?:confused:

Why didn't they say the same thing about the Irish then?:mad: :cool: :)

Regards.

[Hischam Khan]

Assalamu Alaikum,

I am not so sure that Tony meant any offence to Islam or the general Muslims by his statement. However, I do tend to agree that politicians can make a mess of things in this regard. Sometimes it happens while they are actually only attempting to bridge whatever gap there may be between the communities. I am not referring to the “way of life” statement here as that didn’t really offend me. I have in mind statements from politicians and the media such as "Islam needs reforming". I ask; why does it need reforming? Is it because some idiots misuse our religion to hurt innocent people? Are they not the ones who need reforming? Do they not need educating in the true Islamic principles and values? See with such statements, they are widening the gap and helping the extremists because they are here saying that the true version of Islam is the one we see presented by the terrorists. They probably do not even mean that, but this is how their words get understood. They really need to learn to be much clearer and they should also be more careful, especially when it comes to talking on a subject that they may know next to nothing about. Being intelligent politicians and speakers, you would think they would know better. Alas, we all make mistakes. I just hope the point is put across to them sometime in order that communication sees an improvement.

Assimilator, I do not accept the lumping of us together with a few rotten apples to be acceptable. By doing so, you actually mirror the extremists who upon feeling that certain westerners did something wrong to them that thus all westerners are to be blamed. What irony there is in the fact that you mirror their mentality in the very same writing in which you attempt to condemn everything about them!

[Nadeem]

Why didn't they say the same thing about the Irish then?:mad: :cool: :)



Salaam,

Thanks for your input Hischam but my above question explains the mentality of the western powers towards Muslims in general!:cool:

They did not warn the Irish terrorists in the same way nor did they label most Irish as terrorists so why do it to muslims?

If you read the 'Open letter to David Davis' thread you will see more examples of unreasonable outbursts from some western politicians who blame and call for the death of all muslims.Why?:confused:

It is because of people like this that all the Japanese in the USA were blamed and attacked for the Pearl harbor attacks and also why all jews were targeted in Germany.

It doesn't take many such politicians to stir up hatred in the majority and cause unjust attacks on whole groups of people in retaliation for the acts of a few.:mad: :( :)

Wasalaam.

[Guest]

Nadeem, i with u all the way. Never trusted any of these politicians. (Hey perhaps Hischam is a secret agent;);):D)

[Roswell]

Nadeem, i with u all the way. Never trusted any of these politicians. (Hey perhaps Hischam is a secret agent;);):D)


Of course. He works for MI5 (http://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/Page7.html) UK secret service. I caught him when I was on training under Mosad lately. I was given the brief introduction 'bout Mi5 and CIA agents. You can even read his profile here (http://home.comcast.net/%7Ewolfand/).

:D:p

[Assimilator]

Haroon, your offer is kindly welcomed and returned. I am tired of the bandwagon of misinterpretations and stereotypes and presumptions. Probably still going to do them on occasion, but, definitely worth the effort!

Hascham, you said:
Assimilator, I do not accept the lumping of us together with a few rotten apples to be acceptable. By doing so, you actually mirror the extremists who upon feeling that certain westerners did something wrong to them that thus all westerners are to be blamed. What irony there is in the fact that you mirror their mentality in the very same writing in which you attempt to condemn everything about them!

So, are not many Muslims guilty of the same thing? Is that what your saying? Iran's Death to America ranting, same in Pakistan, all over the world, the US is the target of nearly every Muslim Militant org, and even the civilians. Why lump all Americans, 10% arent even from there, as the big EVIL :devilcry: ? I see more of Islamic countries lumping us Americans together, than the reverse. Like you all, were fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers,sisters, wives(i put them last due to the order of heirarchy in Islam, lol!!!)just kidding, wasnt intentional. So were not all a bunch of Dubya(I finally found out who that is, too funny) wannabees supporting his dumba-s mentality. Over 50mm of us didnt vote for him and the rest were just sad to even bother voting against him. So why all the hatred(like poor ol Hash's statements) against US. Sure, the US is the big dog on the street, heck someone has to be might as well be US, :-).

but in the US, we don't burn Muslim countries flags, we don't drag them into concentration camps to be gassed, we don't have militant groups running around in the US kidnapping people of different faiths and chopping their heads off for tv. So where is what you say from our side? Come on, we arent that evil. Sure, crime is high, as is a bit of hedonism, greed. But so are many other countries in the world. Heck, look at Amsterdam and Bangcock for even worse examples. The legality of things there is shameful.

If I do mirrored them with my comments, my bad. Man, went off on a tangent again and I dont even know what I was trying to say. My ADHD is kicking in again, where is my ritalin. :confused:

[newsX]

my bad

Where have I seen this before?

hmnnnn...

[Hischam Khan]

So, are not many Muslims guilty of the same thing? Is that what your saying?Yes, indeed fault lies on both sides. I am asking you to try and not become like such guilty ones.


Iran's Death to America ranting, same in Pakistan, all over the world, the US is the target of nearly every Muslim Militant org, and even the civilians. Why lump all Americans, 10% arent even from there, as the big EVIL ? I see more of Islamic countries lumping us Americans together, than the reverse.Two wrongs don’t make a right.


Like you all, were fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers,sisters, wives(i put them last due to the order of hierarchy in Islam, lol!!!)just kidding, wasnt intentional.Being a little friendlier and less provocative would not do any harm would it? Is this the spirit of Christianity or are you just betraying your faith? Oh "why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"!


So where is what you say from our side?The things you condemned I never even argued for therefore lecturing me about it is just not on. One gets the feeling that this is perhaps the display of your paranoia. Relax and give it a rest. Please do not make a scapegoat out us.



If I do mirrored them with my comments, my bad.So that is it? Your bad? Man the word irony so does not do justice here! How about engaging in a little introspection? I have seen you condemn people in a very harsh and sometimes quite rude manner for what you felt was closed-mindedness and also extreme and prejudiced generalisations. Most members here who have seen your posts would probably testify that you have on several occasions committed the same error you accuse others of. Have you such low morals that you honestly think that you deserve to be condemned any less? You have been caught lying, yet it appeared that you did not consider it a serious issue. Is there any feeling of guilt inside of you at all or have you become so corrupted that you cannot even realise the gravity of your bad manners? You seem so paranoid and you are merely making scapegoats out of people.

Please understand I am not trying to pick a fight with you, win a debate or anything else. Try and reflect over what I say fairly. Do not read into me, I am not trying to score points. I want us to be in peace. The corruption in the world will never be defeated if we are busy in continuously bickering and pointing the finger amongst ourselves. This will do none of us any good.

May God help us.