Astronomers claim discovery of solar system's 10th planet

[Roswell]

A planet larger than Pluto has been discovered in the outlying regions of the solar system.

The planet was discovered using the Samuel Oschin Telescope at Palomar Observatory near San Diego, Calif. The discovery was announced today by planetary scientist Dr. Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif., whose research is partly funded by NASA.
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Image above: These time-lapse images of a newfound planet in our solar system, called 2003UB313, were taken on Oct. 21, 2003, using the Samuel Oschin Telescope at the Palomar Observatory near San Diego, Calif. The planet, circled in white, is seen moving across a field of stars. The three images were taken about 90 minutes apart. Scientists did not discover that the object in these pictures was a planet until Jan. 8, 2005. Image credit: Samuel Oschin Telescope, Palomar Observatory.


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Image above: This artist's concept shows the planet catalogued as 2003UB313 at the lonely outer fringes of our solar system. Our Sun can be seen in the distance. The new planet, which is yet to be formally named, is at least as big as Pluto and about three times farther away from the Sun than Pluto. It is very cold and dark. The planet was discovered by the Samuel Oschin Telescope at the Palomar Observatory near San Diego, Calif., on Jan. 8, 2005. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech.


http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/newplanet-072905.html

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/07/30/new.planet/index.html

[ilyas]

Salaam

This was discovered today right? so i guess it'll be all over the news

[mastermind1]

Asalam Aalaikum,

Thanks for updating us with such useful information.

Well,congradulations to all the Scientists and especially to those who have worked hard in their research and Scientific investigation.

How can this discovery help the people on earth?

Regards,

[Yahya Sulaiman]

I would take this with a grain of salt. I seem to recall many 10th planets being said to have been found, none real.

[ilyas]

Salaam

If a tenth planet is discovered i dont understand what significance it has even to the scientists. As mentioned it is at least as big as Pluto and about three times farther away from the Sun than Pluto. Even trying to send spacecrafts and other gadgets to it will be useless, it will take like decades to get there only to just see the damn planet

[hanaa-e]

salam all,

what is the islamic perspective on life on other planets--i mean no disrespect, but is it possible that heaven and hell could be ohter planets or is it wrong to think like that--

what about space travel and all---wouldn't it be interesting if we did discover other life/ of course they would be muslims too if they worshipped their creator....and of course they'd do 5 salats a day and celebrate ramadan....i guess star trek never did that episode :D

any thoughts....

and what are the islamic thoughts about things like the pyramids and atlantis and stonehenge....

i've always been fascinated by these things and am curious about the islamic perspective....

blessings
hanaa

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[ilyas]

Salaam Hanaa,


what about space travel and all---wouldn't it be interesting if we did discover other life/ of course they would be muslims too if they worshipped their creator....and of course they'd do 5 salats a day and celebrate ramadan....i guess star trek never did that episode

I think space travel isn't right for us muslims because think about it when we leave the face of this earth how will we face the direction of the ka'bah. If there was life beyond this planet then i doubt it that they would be reading 5 times salah and celebrate ramadhan because the prophet (p) never lived on another planet.

Regards

[Roswell]

Salaam to All,


what is the islamic perspective on life on other planets--i mean no disrespect, but is it possible that heaven and hell could be ohter planets or is it wrong to think like that--

Islam is silent on the extraterristrial life however the Qur'an invits us to ponder over the mysterious universe. And, as far as I know, hell and heaven are beyond the domain of this cosmos.


what about space travel and all---wouldn't it be interesting if we did discover other life/ of course they would be muslims too if they worshipped their creator....and of course they'd do 5 salats a day and celebrate ramadan....i guess star trek never did that episode :D

I, too believe that we are not alone but I don't think that if there is any life other than planet, they are doing the same thing for what jinns and us are made for. May be they are made for producing any kind of energy or something?? :confused:




and what are the islamic thoughts about things like the pyramids and atlantis and stonehenge....

Silent.


i've always been fascinated by these things and am curious about the islamic perspective....

To me, Islamic perspective is always that we should ponder over the nature of this universe. Solve the mysteries to get closer for what we are exactly looking for. Actually we always want some explanation of our existance in this very universe. We always looking for answers of the questions like who made us, why we are born, what happen after life. Ancient orthodox stuff pretty much give these answers but after the clash of science in religion, science rejected the very basis on which an entire religion stands, any possible existance of the creator. They say so becuase God does not come under direct human observation. On the contrary, science has discovered so many facts in 20th century which they don't come under the direct human observation either. Without these discoveries like x-rays, science can not the explain he structure of atom over which whole science rely. This method of reasoning is called inferential reasoning. Now exactly the same inferential logic is applicable to prove the veracity of religious faiths. Similarly, we can check the historical authenticity of any divine book, etc.

This couldn't have been possible if we wouldn't have pondered and research onto the matters of universe. However, in my humble opinion, to search for another life explicitly is nothing but the waste of money and huan resources. They could spend the money in this world for removing poverty etc.

Humble thoughts.

Regards,

[Ratatosk]

Salam Yahya,
I would take this with a grain of salt. I seem to recall many 10th planets being said to have been found, none real.Yea, both right and wrong. What has been found has been more often than not very real and tangible. However, the findings have not been deemed to meet the criteria for a planet. There have even been discussions about revoking the 'planet status' of Pluto, as some scientists are of the opinion that it is a Kuiper Belt object, rather than a proper planet. I just wonder what they're gonna call the thing, if it indeed is a planet. I'd put my money on Persephone.

wasalam

[ilyas]

Salaam Ratatosk


Persephone.

what makes you so sure?

Regards

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Because Persephone and Pluto were married in mythology. But it wouldn't be "Persephone" but "Proserpine", as the names of the planets are the Roman names for the gods and titans the planets are named after, not the Greek.

[hanaa-e]

Salaam Hanaa,



I think space travel isn't right for us muslims because think about it when we leave the face of this earth how will we face the direction of the ka'bah. If there was life beyond this planet then i doubt it that they would be reading 5 times salah and celebrate ramadhan because the prophet (p) never lived on another planet.

Regards


I salam,

i disagree. why do we do these things as the prophet, pbuh, told us?? because ALLAH told us to through him.

so, my logic is this:

we worship this way because our Creator told us to, not just the prophet, pbuh.
Our Creator is the Creator of the whole of existence...the whole universe.
we pray 5 prayers because allah asked, so if all of creation is to worship the same, then that would not matter where we are.

as far as facing mecca, that is an interesting point, though relatively speaking if we face earth it would be approximate...then again, each life form, civilization on other planets would have their own prophets and so their own holy places...the determining factor is that all of them would still be from Allah, so hte pillars must be the same.

so, i don't think your point about facing the holy place would rule out life on other planets or space travel.

and of this i am sure....IF hter is life then their creator is ours.

btw, i know we can't know everything, but i also believe there is a purpose for everything...so why so many planets and only one with life??? brother roswell suggested something about creating energy of some kind. to me to deny the possibility is to limit Allah....though i respect your opinion Roswell. and you're right, we could first use the money to take care of things here....maybe that ohter life will find us???

and what if that whole planet is under islamic law??

i find this whole topic quite interesting.

peace
hanaa

[Yahya Sulaiman]

Remember: according to the Koran, God is Lord of all worlds and there are seven earths.

[ilyas]

Salaam Hanaa


we worship this way because our Creator told us to, not just the prophet, pbuh.Our Creator is the Creator of the whole of existence...the whole universe.we pray 5 prayers because allah asked, so if all of creation is to worship the same, then that would not matter where we are.
I would have to agree with you here but then think about it, the previous nations before this nation such as Bani Israel had to pray even less then us. We have to pray 5 times and they had to pray less than that (because Musa told Porphet (p) that his nation could not even read that many times but the prophet (p) didn't want to go up to Allah s.w.t again) Think about it if there ever was life out their they would probably most likely have a different routine to us in praying due to the way their planets rotate around the sun, the hours of daylight.....etc

Also remember that Allah s.w.t will destroy everything when this ummah ends so i'm not sure how Allah s.w.t has addressed the other creations on the other planets



btw, i know we can't know everything, but i also believe there is a purpose for everything...so why so many planets and only one with life???

Hmmm......I am just as curious as you are here



Remember: according to the Koran, God is Lord of all worlds and there are seven earths

The only thing we dont know is that if there is life on them heavens and earths, Allah s.w.t know best

Regards

[hanaa-e]

Salaam Hanaa


I would have to agree with you here but then think about it, the previous nations before this nation such as Bani Israel had to pray even less then us. We have to pray 5 times and they had to pray less than that (because Musa told Porphet (p) that his nation could not even read that many times but the prophet (p) didn't want to go up to Allah s.w.t again) Think about it if there ever was life out their they would probably most likely have a different routine to us in praying due to the way their planets rotate around the sun, the hours of daylight.....etc

Also remember that Allah s.w.t will destroy everything when this ummah ends so i'm not sure how Allah s.w.t has addressed the other creations on the other planets

egards

salam brother,

oh right, that does make sense. our times of prayer, the needs of humanity's laws is dependent on what we need to be right with allah s.w.t., this might not be the same elsewhere...as also is true about the times being dependent on the sun's position which would be different....

and also that in the past different prophet had the different teachings relevant to the people. So, though, our religion has been perfected and is complete for all people and all time now. So, taking the hypothetical situation on, knowing that the times of prayer would be different based on the physical aspects of the sun, there would still be many aspects that were teh same, as has been through all of the prophets. the need for worshipping one god, Allah, the Creator. the need for prayers (though you are saying the timing, number and maybe manner would change depending on location of this said planet and the prophet sent there.) to connect with Allah.

maybe we'll never know. i wonder if a piece of fiction could be written and not disrespect islam--is there such a thing as islamic science fiction/...a whole muslim planet but with subtle changes...

another question of interest to me is about the end, you said when we are destroyed...is there any indication that this might coincide with the sun's dying....as suns do. they die and then give off no more light. supposedly, there is one scientific source used for a biblical book that said maybe the sun has already died and that the light we are getting now--which has to travel millions of light years or somehting--is from when it was still alive and htat the distance it travels is to account for the time left.

i can find the source if need be.

of course, allah swt is the only one to know, but i find it all interesting, but i hope not to spend all of my time or any of my money on it when there is much to be done here on earth.

salam alikum
hanaa :shiny: :alien2: :alien:

[ilyas]

Salaam Hanaa,


maybe we'll never know. i wonder if a piece of fiction could be written and not disrespect islam--is there such a thing as islamic science fiction/...a whole muslim planet but with subtle changes...
I dont know but it would be interesting to know if there ever was such a thing

another question of interest to me is about the end, you said when we are destroyed...is there any indication that this might coincide with the sun's dying.
There is no indication of this coinciding with the sun's dying, Allah s.w.t will destroy EVERYTHING, all of the universe nothing will be left alive, Allah s.w.t will even tell the angel of death to give death to itself. All matter, all life will be destroyed.

Salaamu alaykum
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[hanaa-e]

salam brother,

recent photo????
lol :-)
where did you find that? i sure hope if there is life out there it doesn't look like that! but then again, maybe we aren't that attractive to him/her.

it looks scary.

thanks for entertaining my questions...
peace
hanaa

[ilyas]

Salaam Sister

LOL, no i found it as a random alien picture :D

wasalaam

[TheServant]

AA interesting discussion:

How about the fact that Rasulullah was sent as a rehmah for the world(s)? Surely that would mean his sphere of influence included more than the earth.

As for the Sun's being already dead and we don't know it... interesting idea, however it only takes the Sun's light 8.5 minutes or so to get to us.

JAK,

[Nadeem]

and what are the islamic thoughts about things like the pyramids and atlantis and stonehenge....

i've always been fascinated by these things and am curious about the islamic perspective....



Salaam,

Well we know that the pyramids and stonehenge do exist for sure and were places of worship to the ancient Egyptians and the Druids.:)

As for Atlantis I believe it is possible that it may have once existed but there is no solid evidence for it.:cool:

I also find many such subjects fascinating including UFOs Bermuda Triangle,Bigfoot,Crop circles,aliens and many other mysteries.:)

Wasalaam.

[The Shah]

Salaam Hanaa,



I think space travel isn't right for us muslims because think about it when we leave the face of this earth how will we face the direction of the ka'bah. If there was life beyond this planet then i doubt it that they would be reading 5 times salah and celebrate ramadhan because the prophet (p) never lived on another planet.

Regards

um... if i rmmbr correctly, every layer of heaven has one ka'abah.
and, Allah has promised to Muhammad and humankind that man will be able to reach the moon one day, but will never ever even touch the first layer of heaven.

if there ever were aliens, i'm torn on whether to believe or not. the only inhabitants of a planet the Quran ever mentioned were humans and djinn, both from earth. but Wallahu'alam.

btw, before Muhammad [PBUH] received the 5-time-a-day solat command, the followers of Islam prayed twice a day; if i'm not wrong, one at sunrise and one at sunset.

also, Muhammad PBUH is Allah's messenger to all creation. that may include them aliens. and just like man and djinn, these aliens have the mukmin type and the kaffir type. i guess the Quran would have been sent to them as well. [most definitely in Arabic, whatever language they spoke]

i dunno, but i feel a 'WOW' in my heart, knowing that, even somewhere out there in the stars, there are Muslims who are connected to us all. Islam may even help gain INTERGALACTIC PEACE!!!! Insya'Allah, Amin.

Salaam.

[ilyas]

Salaam Shah


um... if i rmmbr correctly, every layer of heaven has one ka'abah.
and,
You would have difficulty trying to firstly locate the different ka'bahs and then actually trying to face them. Even after you have faced them how are you going to read salah when there is no gravity? how do you remain on the ground?


Allah has promised to Muhammad and humankind that man will be able to reach the moon one day, but will never ever even touch the first layer of heaven.
can you show me the relevant hadith or verse from the qur'an which promises us that we will reach the moon (just curious)

Wasalaam

[The Shah]

I'm not sure. I will check with my ustaz on Sunday. Apologies. :o

[Nadeem]

can you show me the relevant hadith or verse from the qur'an which promises us that we will reach the moon (just curious)



Salaam,

As far as I know there is no hadith or ayah promising that we will reach the moon.:cool:
However there is the well known ayah 33 of Sura Rahman:
"Oh company of jinn and men,if ye have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth;then penetrate (them)! Ye will never penetrate them save with (Our) sanction".:)

This ayah is self explanatory and is basically saying that we cannot reach all parts of the universe without sanction from God.:)

Wasalaam.

[Yahya Sulaiman]

That ayah is significant, I think, for answering (in the affirmative) the common and age-old question, "Does the universe end somewhere?" (Other translations than the one you cited read things like "the confines of heaven and earth".)