Israel admits!

[Abrarur]

Israeli Occupation Government Admits Apartheid Wall Built to Gain Political Goals, Not for Alleged Security Needs

GAZA, June 22, 2005 (IPC + Agencies) - -

The Israeli occupation government admitted that it has built the Apartheid Wall through and around the occupied Palestinian territories to achieve political gains.

The Israeli Attorney General Office, during the hearing of the Israeli Supreme Court about motions filed by human rights groups and civilians affected by the Wall, had submitted a document several days ago claiming that the Apartheid Wall in Jerusalem is being constructed "within the jurisdiction of the Jerusalem Municipality."

The document also asserted that the layout of the Wall's route was made based on political assessments and goals.
Aharon Barak, the Israeli Supreme Judge, adopted the Israeli AG's claim that the Wall was built within Jerusalem's limit, and argued that constructing the Wall there had "no political or security significance."
Barak told the submitters of the motion that "the right of the Al-Ram residents living in the area B outside Jerusalem to appeal against the right of the State to build a Wall inside its sovereign borders."

The Apartheid Wall snakes through the town of Al-Ram and forcefully annexes part of it to Israel.
Israel often claims to the Western countries that the construction of the Apartheid Wall came as a consequence of security and political needs, and to prevent the infiltration of Palestinian resistance activists into Israel. However, facts on the ground indicate that the purpose of the Wall was to expropriate thousands of dunums of Palestinian lands and effectively isolating the Palestinian communities into cantons.

With a height of eight to nine meters of concrete, the 750-kilometer-long Wall annexes 58 percent of the West Bank. It is twice as high and three times as long as the former infamous Berlin Wall.

source:http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2005%20News%20Archives/June/22%20n/Israeli%20Occupation%20Government%20Admits%20Apart heid%20Wall%20Built%20to%20Gain%20Political%20Goal s,%20Not%20for%20Alleged%20Security%20Needs.htm

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaykum

As the islamic resistance movement HAMAS leader sheikh Hassan Yousef said, no wall if it was built to the sky could protect the illegal zionist entity. Of course Isreal admits, all they do is lie, no and then they like a change.

[Abrarur]

i am tired of Israel accusing innocent people of doing this and that.Who in the name of hell first came up with the idea for the creation of this Zionist state ?

[Guest]

I think it was a Muslim..

[Nadeem]

Salaam,

Well the origins of this zionist state go back to the late 1800s when the zionist jews and their christian sympathisers started campaigning for it.
They eventually sought help from the British and then later from the United Nations.:)
www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm#Zionism (http://www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm#Zionism)

Wasalaam.

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaykum

The zioniost enemy will be smashed by the islamic resistance movement inshallaah'ta'allaah, and Palestine will bve re-claimed, justice will be for the palestinian people.

[Abrarur]

hope so.

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaykum

Just have hope and faith dear brother, subhanallaah Allaah subhaanhu'wa'tallaah promises victory, justice and freedome will be for the palestinian people, and peace and harmony will once again rise with the name Palestine. Hamas, islamic jihad, al aqsa martys brigade, and many more, they will niot rest until the state of Isreal is destroyed, and the zionist enemy smashed into pieces.

[vinod]

Hash

In your vision of a palestinian state after the Israeli state is torn down, how will the jews of Israel fare? Do they get any representation in the govt?

Was-salam

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaykum

My vision? This is the vision of he muslim ummah, this is the vision of the palestinian people, this is the reality of the situation. In answer to your question, sheikh Hassan Yousef, leader of hamas, and other resistance movements in Palestine, have made it clear when the zionist enemy is smashed, and the state of Israel desroyed, and Palestne re-instated, the jews will not be mistreated or manhadled as they did to us, in accorance with islamic teachings, they will be treated fairly and not man-handaled, they will be treated fairly, and allowed tlo live in peace inshallaah.

[Abrarur]

Israel is really strong and backed by the US.

[Guest]

Are they backed by Allah? Are the (real) Muslims? Who is strong then?

[Hashim]

Well said akhee.

[Abrarur]

Are they backed by Allah? Are the (real) Muslims? Who is strong then?

Yes Muslims are strong as long as we have our faith and trust in Almighty Allah and got unity.obviously our faith will save us in afterlife.

[Hashim]

inshallaah

[Assimilator]

Bash, I mean Hash, is nothing more than an militant evildoer. I do not think, from reading other comments, he is representative of the majority of Muslims. Although I could be wrong.

He is nothing more than an Al Qaeda pawn. He only thinks of violence, death, destruction. He is very short sighted in understanding the whole game. Life on earth is short already. His death/destruction banter is tiresome, redundant, and such a violent person. He cannot even see this, nor admit it. He is too far brainwashed by his own soapbox ranter.

Hash, were you physically molested by your father or mother when you were young? And therefore feel you must enact revenge on everyone? Your just like Hitler! Some personal vendetta, for which is totally unjustified.

At first I enjoyed the competing conversations, but your just too closeminded to logic. You don't see that all sides are using their own holy books, as justification for their actions. It is all the SAME dude. Step back, and objectively(not from Arab/Muslim or whatever perspective you are), but as a human, step out of the whole thing, and look at it as if you were on the sidelines watching a soccer game, or whatever you like.

If you can honestly do this, you will see that all the parties, are simple pawns of their own selfish groups. Everyone fighting for the same thing, everyone thinking Win/Lose. Instead of Win/Win. Everyone wants to fight to win, as does the other side. With that type of childish, ancient, mentality, lacking of any modern psychological intelligence, the whole war drum banter between Muslims, Christians, and JEws is going to go on and on and on.

Is that what you want? Somebody to win, somebody to lose. The Israelies are just as guilty. I am not saying one is wrong and one is right. Everyone


Then you say:

My vision? This is the vision of he muslim ummah, this is the vision of the palestinian people, this is the reality of the situation. In answer to your question, sheikh Hassan Yousef, leader of hamas, and other resistance movements in Palestine, have made it clear when the zionist enemy is smashed, and the state of Israel desroyed, and Palestne re-instated, the jews will not be mistreated or manhadled as they did to us, in accorance with islamic teachings, they will be treated fairly and not man-handaled, they will be treated fairly, and allowed tlo live in peace inshallaah.

Lets see how many times you conflicted yourself in this paragraph. Zionist enemy is smashed, state destroyed. Then will not be mistreated or manhandled. Treated fairly, live in peace. Okay, which is it? Are you gonna smash em first, then live in peace? Or are you going to destroy them, and then if there are any left, with their heads on still, they will be treated fairly. I am completely confused. Tell me which is it? :confused:

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaykum

Assimilator, i do not reprsent the muslim ummah, nor do i claim to voice the opinion of the muslims. There are over a billion muslims worldwide, how can i claim to voice all their opinion? Now i dont know if YOU were sexually molested by YOUR parents, maybe your dad is Michael jackson or something, personally i dont care, but if you dont like me here or my views, shut up and go and bother some other people. Is that clear enough for you? I shut you up on the other thread about 9/11, now you come here and make a fool of yourself again. Myself and a couple of brothers are dicussing the recent issue of Isreal admiting some offences, what has it got to do with you? Have i said something about you, which would lead to you making this mini attack on me? And get this through your thick skull assimalatr, i did not just conflcyt myself inmy last post. Its has been made clear by the islamic resistance movement in Palestine, that after the zionist entity is defeated, and the state of Isreal destroyed, and the state of Palestine established, the jews are more than welcome to reside in this land. And the hamas leaders and the islamic jihad leaders have made it clear, that jews will be allowed to live in this area, free from persecution. So where is the contradiction i ask you? Brother vinod asked me a question, i answered. In the future remember this, if you speak to me in a harsh manner i will of course speak back to you in a harsh manner, if you speak to me politly and show me respect, the same i will show to you.

[Assimilator]

You haven't "shut me up" on any other thread. I can hang all day, but it got boring. So now on to something else. I just got tired of you saying "show me proof, show me proof". Well, I could say show me proof of something you believe in and I bet you can't. Like religion. You miss my points alltogether.

Just for kicks, I did throw in some personal jabs. Your so easily aggravated from jerking your chain, it is fun watching you get angry. :-)

And mostly your personal discussion by your co-terrorists brothers condoning violence, simply shows me and others that the world isn't safe till you militant a--holes are all extinct. For ALL RELIGIONS. Otherwise it's going to be a war ravaged world from now till the Apocolypse. But then again, you don't believe in that do you?

Someone asked me in a thread to provide proof that the Bible mentions that other false prophets will follow Jesus. But if I did, I know it would just be refuted with some verse out of the Koran. So why bother.

On another note, maybe I do look a bit like Michael J, at least I might have more money. :-)

Maybe I will stick around, these boards are fun. Other than visiting 3rd world countries, I don't get to have regress 500 years to this type of mentality and thinking. It is such a breath of fresh air to see how such simple and small minded people think violence is the only solution to problems.

That mentality ....is.... backasswards, closeminded, STUPID, IGNORANT, and never going to accomplish ANYTHING but create MORE VIOLENCE.

Haven't you figured it out? Every act of violence, creates another with all this stupid REVENGE mentality. Why do you think Jesus spoke about turning the other cheak. IF you don't, it's a vicious cycle that is going to go on, and on and on. Till their all dead. If that the outcome you want?

But since you all think it's the easiest and simplest way to get to your heaven, you are all for it. What about the other way? I think your just too lazy to try it, and a suicidal martyr approach is far easier huh?

Dying is easy my friend. As is killing. But living is the challenging part of life. Why take the easy road out? Slackers.

[Hashim]

All this talk of death or fighting, or your claims that i like war and fighting and violence and death, and i am a Al Qa'ida pawn and i am a miliant, and my co-terrorist brothers condone violnce, perhaps you can help me out and help out 'simple minded brains', and show me one conflict today were the muslims stated the fighting. No were, we muslims are fighting in self defence, so your argument is flawed. Palestine, we didnt start the conflct we are resisting, same in iraq and afganistan, kahmir and chechnea etc. So i am glad that you are enjoying these discussions and i am sad for you that your father micahel jackson sexuall molested you, that is very sad, but you probaly got his looks and his cash on the bright side. So seing how as you are so keep on moaning like a little girl about how i am always condoning violnce and death and support murder, perhaps you can show me were the muslims called for the fighting and vkiolence and STARTED the fighting. Of course, we are resisting in iraw for example, and i totally 100% support the resistance efforts to kick every last american filth out of the country.

Nice talking to you, becuase at least other islamohobes try to,pice together some reasonable argument, you on the other hand have nothing to argue with and just moan and poke your nose in were it is not welcome.

regards. :D

[Nadeem]

Salaam Hash,

Except for the Michael Jacko and molestation part I completely agree and commend your fitting reply to these nosey freaks who come here trying to stir up trouble cos they have nothing better to do.:)
Well done Hash,keep it up bro.:p :)

Wasalaam.

[Guest]

Peace Assimilator (hey be grateful that Hash hasnt addressed you with "Pieces Assimilator";)).

Anyway, i just want to ask you something, since you seem to be the only one using ur brain (according to you). Well, everyone is in a big mess, apart from your snidey comments (are u related to NewsX?) what are you doing to help the situation? Serious question. What are you doing? Sitting on your computer shouting loads of "injustice here, injustice there" doesnt seem to have changed lives or thoughts yet, has it? Perhaps you should learn something from the way NewsX speaks. Most of the time i agree with her, but i cant stand the way she talks, therefore my mind almost wants to reject what she has said. You get my point? You have to be compassionate (like Ratatosk or XP) to change hearts. Btw, ive told this to Hashim many times too. Let's see which of you clowns can come out of the stupor first.

Dont take any offence, just some man to man advice.

Regards

[Hashim]

Salaam Hash,

Except for the Michael Jacko and molestation part I completely agree and commend your fitting reply to these nosey freaks who come here trying to stir up trouble cos they have nothing better to do.:)
Well done Hash,keep it up bro.:p :)

Wasalaam.

Wa'alaykum'Salaam brother, jazakallaah heir
Ahh no probs, these temporary islamophobes pop up now and then, make a nuisance of themself, then disappear when they embarass themself enough. I have a feeling he will be back. Means we will have another laugh! :D

[Hashim]

Peace Assimilator (hey be grateful that Hash hasnt addressed you with "Pieces Assimilator";)).

Anyway, i just want to ask you something, since you seem to be the only one using ur brain (according to you). Well, everyone is in a big mess, apart from your snidey comments (are u related to NewsX?) what are you doing to help the situation? Serious question. What are you doing? Sitting on your computer shouting loads of "injustice here, injustice there" doesnt seem to have changed lives or thoughts yet, has it? Perhaps you should learn something from the way NewsX speaks. Most of the time i agree with her, but i cant stand the way she talks, therefore my mind almost wants to reject what she has said. You get my point? You have to be compassionate (like Ratatosk or XP) to change hearts. Btw, ive told this to Hashim many times too. Let's see which of you clowns can come out of the stupor first.

Dont take any offence, just some man to man advice.

Regards

Aslaam Alaykum

Very well said. :)

BTW, i think that is the first time you addressed me as Hashim ey? I am thinking of editing my user name inshallaah, if ratatosq can do it inshallaah'ta'allaah.